woohoo! finally after three years...

Discussion in 'Switch Stories' started by janey, Mar 20, 2003.

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    janey

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    ...our school got a grant to get more computers-and chose to buy from Apple!
    Today, the *(&)@ principal interrupted a whole bunch of classes to tell the teachers to all come and watch a presentation by "Apple Corporation" because they got a grant to buy new computers and they wanted all the teachers to pick the computer they want.
    After spending 10 minutes convincing my teacher that she should let me come, I went, watched some of it (keynote!) and talked with the Apple dude who was really cool and my teachers couldn't decide so i helped them with the help of an AluBook, my cellphone and iPod...they loved how i could do so many things with three things ;) :) :D :p
    our name is portola middle school and we switched to (more than one) a mac.
     
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    Ha, that's pretty damn cool - what sort of machines are they going to be getting? Is it going to be one machine for each teacher, or is there going to be a computer lab with a bunch of machines for all the student's to use as well?

    D
     
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    janey

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    Some of the teachers have old graphite or blueberry iMacs and there's a computer lab full of graphite iMacs so first i'm assuming the old Macs will be replaced with either newer eMacs, FP iMacs or Power Macs depending on what they're gonna do with them. then the teachers are getting them and most of my teachers (after listening to me bitching about how "bad" the FP iMacs were) are probably getting Power Macs. :)
    Minimum of one computer for each class, so i guess that's a gigantic amount of macs :p
     
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    voicegy

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    Congrats

    Was the grant your school recieved the School Renovation Technology grant? 22 schools in my district recieved monies from this grant for the purpose of lowering the student to multimedia computer ratio in grades 4-8 classrooms. One of the schools recieved $208,000.00! This grant is HUGE and is a big win for Apple, as they are one of only two computer companies that we now do business with. (IBM being the other).

    As the Information Technology rep, I'm going to that particular school (the 200 grand one) tomorrow morning with the Apple rep to talk to the schools' Technology Committee. Grant cycles are always fun, and a major source of funding for computer purchases...these types of monies are sometimes just about the only way technology purchases can ever be made, especially these days!

    Fun, fun, fun for you übergeek...and thanks for helping the cause by being the perfect Apple salesperson!
     
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    I did JUST NOT HERE YOU DISSING MY 17" FP iMAC! ;)

    That is gonna be really nice, since you had a part in the discussion. My school dist is pretty rich so maybe soon I'll talk to them about Os X and replacing there old 'flavored' imacs.
    First thing I do when I get my hands on them is test ém and (shameless team promo) put folding on of coarse.

    Nah I would help the techies install them, they know nothing at my school.
    Whats this windows error message 'you've been hacked the schools computers will all simontaously crash in 3 minutes, you can't stop it' They look at it for 2 minutes and try clicking the fake 'ok' box but all that comes up it 'ITS NOT OK YOU MORONS YOUR COMPUTERS ARE GONE!' The person got half of them to crash amasingly enough. :eek:

    I would never allow that to happen to a mac computer lab however. Besides I personally deleted foolproof from the Os 9 labs... I mean I made them more accessible.
     
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    voicegy

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    Glad you're not working at MY school district.:rolleyes:
     
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    alset

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    It's nice to hear about large purchases in education. Get 'em hooked while they're young!

    As for higher education, my school just added new MDD's to our FCP suites. It's only six or seven new machines, but every single Mac puts us closer to world domination. We get a few converts with our heavy Mac scene, there.

    Dan
     
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    :( This hurts.. I'm happy your school is getting into some new Macs, but my school won't spend a few hundred to upgrade from 256mb RAM. It's such a pain defending Macs that can only open one or two applications at a time, not to mention OS 9! O well, better slow Mac than no Mac. I'd have dropped out by now if my only choice was windows. They just 'gave' us XP on the computers at work. Upgrading is supposed to be fun and improving! What a mess. That's actually a good thing though. Maybe they'll come to their senses. Ha!
     
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    I agree with him on the Foolproof thing. Foolproof sucks. Big time. A few years back I hacked the Windows version when I was about 10...

    It's much better to set labs and individual Macs up with guest accounts. Students can log into one account and get limited access (can't change settings, install programs, we can control what apps they can use). Works like a charm at the HS I work for. We have a network of about 500 computers (most are Macs).

    We also have a Win2K domain server running for our PCs. Every student has an account on the PCs with a home directory for their files that also works on the Macs, an email address provided by us, and a small allotment of web space.

    I hope the people doing übers school take the time to build a good system.

    To the "FP iMacs suck" thing: They don't suck. I am using one now and it's plenty fast with 512MB ram. The looks are unbeatable, too. Plus there's the "wow" factor... :D
     
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    we're getting a lot of new macs...must be pretty pricey :eek:
    we're hoping to get some decent ones that can run the standard programs everyone needs-Office and Internet Explorer (hopefully Safari instead :) )
    our comp teachers are really stupid and now that our school is switching it's great because i hope ther get fired because they don't know anything. It's about tine we get some teachers who do know something ;) they're pro bill gates, pro windows anti mac anyway.
    It took me three years to get the principal to get the macs!

    note to mrmacman: i did not diss your iMac ;) i was just saying that i would rather make the school get as many power macs as possible because that's better for Apple. We had outdated iMacs and Dells so far and now all Macs...*drool*
     
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    janey

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    Basically the computer teachers and whoever they can find from the crappiest school district in the nation.
    And me :) i was the one who suggested that we get macs and i will not leave that school until every single mac is up and running. :D
    joshie i think that the iMacs are nothing compared to a Power Mac. :rolleyes: :) ;) :p
     
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    ibookin'

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    The school I work for is in the same district, Jane... LAUSD for anyone who didn't know. We're the "lets build a $1/4 billion school on a toxic waste dump" district.

    I like my iMac, even though its not as good as a PowerMac... Waiting for the 970 to buy a PMac...
     
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    Great news, Ms. über. The middle school where I volunteer was one of the "lucky winners" of the school renovation technology grant. The decisions about hardware have yet to be made, since they are still in the red tape phase (getting forms filled out and paperwork to and from the right people).
     
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    janey

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    i've heard everything but that...LOL!

    okay on a lighter note (well not really) i took a look at our school's technology plan (http://www.lausd.k12.ca.us/Portola_MS) and here is what it says
    Uhh yeah do they even know the minumum system requirements of Jaguar and Windows XP...didn't think so :eek: :) :p
    automatically that RAM should be upped to 128mb (256mb recommended), pentium 4 2ghz, 10gb hard drive, DVD/CD-RW combo drive, you get the point...:p *puke*
    oh and they also talk about networking trobles between 20+ buildings, 70+ classrooms...WHAT'S WRONG WITH WIRELESS?!
     
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    janey

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    i so wanted to work on our school's website as it sucks a lot but no the computer teachers want their classes to work on it so now i'm stuck hoping that i get to work on the magnet website :)
     
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    voicegy

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    Just know that the lowest cost (crt) iMac does NOT comply with that particular grant. It may be attractive because of the cost, but this grant requires machines more than CD-ROM capable.
     
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    janey

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    bad news for me...
    i told the computer teachers about the PPC 970 and Panther today.
    Yikes...will probably not get to see any macs on campus until next year...
     
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    but when you do see them, they will be hella fast ;).
     
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    I remember reading your technology plan. I think it was written a few years ago so it is not surprising that it doesn't reflect the state of the art. You can tell that it's old from sentences like "During the 1999/2000 school year, each staff member will...". If the 1999/2000 school year was in the future, the plan was probably written around 4 years ago.

    It may cost more or it may not be as reliable. Or it may be ideal. We evaluated wireless choices a few years ago. One infrared networking vendor tried to sell us a system that cost way over our budget, and he told us that teachers would have to leave their classroom doors open all the time instead of closing them as they preferred to do. Needless to say, he didn't make the sale.

    These days there are more reasonable networking choices and some planners in the LAUSD ITD (Information Technology Division) do understand them. I hope Portola gets a chance to consider all the choices.
     
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    At our school we have a fiber backbone similar to the one in Portola's technology plan. One of the problems with doing wireless or copper in larger schools is the distance. Wireless would be possible with a large antenna, but there are security (we sometimes transfer confidential data over our network) and reliability issues. Therefore, the only solution is to do fiber running from the MDF to the IDFs, then run copper to the classrooms. There are LDFs in places like labs, but we have it set up so most drops are within 50ft (wire distance) of their respective IDFs.

    Networking schools can present even more challenges than networking offices...
     
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    i know i remember reading the technology plan in 6th grade. There's nothing wrong with wireless! perhaps you could have some wireless network for students to use. my formet history teacher did not like the fact that he couldn't use his airport card in school.
    SOME PLANNERS?! MORE REASONABLE NETWORKING CHOICES?! ARE YOU KIDDING?!
    portola is so old fashioned. :rolleyes:
     
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    lucky people. my school has Macs, but the newest is a graphite iMac DV SE, and the network has a bunch of 1 Mbps networking PowerMac 5400's gumming up the works, so the network is dog slow, AND I'm a year behind the grant money, so when all the fifth, sixth, and seventh graders have iBooks, the eighth graders have nothing, AND our high school, which I go to next year, has PeeCees, AND finally, we won't switch to OS X because of the 5400's which can't run it. *passes out*
     
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    Schools that get some new machines each year have the maintenance headaches of keeping varied equipment functioning, having to know the specs and capabilities of each year's equipment, keeping differing models working together, etc. But there is one advantage often overlooked: If you replace all equipment schoolwide with state of the art models, at a single point in time, then it all becomes obsolete at the same time in the future. The steady state model is harder to manage, but at least it requires a relatively constant amount of funding year to year, rather than a huge occasional amount that may be harder to obtain.

    Of course, the best solution is to have infinite funding and replace all equipment with state of the art machines every year!
     
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    Ha, it's a little hard than that, you know. I am the T.A for the Networking/ IT guy at my school and we have been working for the last 3 months trying to get the school wireless, it's no easy task my fine über friend. Our orginal plan was to have 2 Airports in each wing, (our school is small no biggy, we have 1200- students) but we decided to abandon that idea after disrupting a few classes and pissing of a few teachers :D. Currently we attempting to set up three airports with massive extend antenas, (we need it our school is the second oldest(?) in the state and has a lot of old steel+brick in it's walls) anyways the extent of our school will be covered very shortly, but it was a costly endevor. Apple had a "special deal" on airports before MacWorld, and because our school was having allof it's funds frozen we bought them as quick as we could and got shafted after MWSF... Anyways it's great that your District/school has some money, I know that currently ALL schools in california would love to be in your position.
    :D Great Job übergeek
     

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