Worried about the 10.7 dock - no running apps indication

Discussion in 'Mac OS X Lion (10.7)' started by mabaker, Oct 20, 2010.

  1. macrumors 65816


    Jan 19, 2008
    I do love all the cosmetic changes in Lion and absolutely LOVE the new Expose feature that brings back proper window management but the status indicator of applications running in the dock seems to be gone. :eek:

    Mac OS X is RAM hungry as it is. Lion with its instant on features may be crawling even more if all apps in the Dock are pre-loaded into the memory.
  2. macrumors 604


    Mar 17, 2004
    With the dropping price of RAM, bring it on. The MacBook Air can just launch everything out of the SSD.
  3. macrumors member

    Mar 5, 2008
    They still have a lot of time before release. I'm sure there will be changes to the GUI. This was only a first peak on the new features.
  4. macrumors 68040


    Aug 7, 2005
    Up the irons
  5. macrumors 68040


    Nov 26, 2003
    No matter how fast the SSD is, it won't be quicker than RAM.

    Unless they are applying the iOS “multi-tasking” model to the Mac (i.e. no paging in/out — hence why applications will restore state when reopened). This would ensure that the current app is always responsive.

    However I don't see it being practical.
  6. celticpride678

    Feb 15, 2009
    Boston, MA
    Mac OS X Lion is a good year away. Apple only provided a sneak peak of it today and they will be making a lot of UI changes down the road.
  7. macrumors 68000

    Mar 6, 2008
    Yeah I'm pretty sure there will be some major UI changes..

    Things I hope to see
    - New Application & System Icons
    - New Theme - Trash Aqua :p
    - Customizable Dock
    - Uninstaller
    - Cut Feature
    - Window Snap Feature - similar to win 7
    - Even Faster Boot Times and OS performance

    I actually really like the aqua theme, but its been around for a long time, ever since the first OS 10 release, although it has evolved over the years, a lot of it is still very similar to the previous versions of OSX, Its about time to drop aqua..
  8. macrumors 6502

    Jun 2, 2007
    Judging by Apple's latest OS X icons (iTunes X, app store), I'm not really looking forward to this idea.
  9. macrumors 6502a


    Jun 14, 2010
  10. macrumors regular


    Mar 18, 2010
  11. macrumors 68000


    Aug 26, 2009
    Totalitarian Republic of Northlandia
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    To get back to the topic: there will probably be a simple tweak to make the indicators appear, just like vertical stoplights in iTunes 10.
  12. macrumors 68040

    Apr 22, 2005
    You are misunderstanding the implications of this change. The point is supposed to be that (ideally) you won't be able to distinguish between an app that is loaded into RAM and running vs. one that is loaded into RAM and not running vs. one that isn't even in RAM yet. Very little will actually change in terms of how and when apps are loaded into RAM (i.e. not until you try to run them the first time). It is likely that the OS will automatically remove idle, backgrounded apps from RAM if the user runs a new app that needs more RAM than is free.
  13. macrumors 65816

    Oct 25, 2008
    Considering the amounts of RAM most computers have these days it doesn't matter that much what you have running unless it's big productivity suites like Photoshop, Maya or Final Cut.

    What OSX needs is some kind of indicator showing how many windows are open. I find that is very useful in Win7.
  14. macrumors 6502a

    Jul 27, 2004
    I hope you realize that RAM is faster than the fastest SSDs by orders of magnitude.
  15. macrumors 68000


    Feb 14, 2005
    Northern Ireland
    The whole point of the indicator underneath the dock icons is not that the app is loaded into RAM etc, it's to let you know which apps are actively running (ie, doing stuff, whether that be Mail running and checking for mail periodically etc).

    I can understand Apple wanting a sort of 'instant-on' feature to apps, there should still be a way of knowing which apps are actually running and which are suspended. No indicator on the dock is going to make that very difficult.
  16. macrumors G3


    Aug 24, 2009
  17. macrumors 68040

    Apr 22, 2005
    I understand, I was just trying to explain Apple's apparent point of view on things, assuming the lack of dock indicator actually happens.
  18. macrumors 6502a


    Jan 14, 2008
    Sheffield, UK
    I think it'll be as easy as changing a PList file to get back the dock indicators, I'm sure Apple wouldn't completely remove a feature like that.
  19. macrumors 6502

    Aug 19, 2010
    I can imagine they're implementing a push * notification feature that will silently track new information taken online (such a s mail, updates, news, etc.) which will be indicated as usual and clicking on the app will boot it into full mode.

    I believe they did mention that apps never really shut down and run on very low RAM until you make them active again, hence they can remove the indicators so you won't be constantly trying to determine whether a program is running or not.

    And when you do run it, it will continue where it left off.
  20. sOwL, Jan 28, 2011
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2011

    macrumors 6502


    Sep 25, 2007
    Athens, Greece
    I'm worried about this too. And i'm not worried about the indicators not existing, im worried about changing established mechanisms of handling open applications. People say that it will just take a tweak to bring the indicators back - but are you sure? I mean, if indeed they move onto a 'every app is running but not running at the same time' philosophy then there's no real way to actually indicate which apps are running, because there will essentially be no difference between running apps and not running, in a sense, no running apps at all. I don't know, maybe I'm old fashioned, but i really like managing myself what's running and what's not. I don't want certain apps to get suspended when i change focus to another app. If i need to, I'll quit them myself. And how would that work in the first place?? I mean, certain apps like iTunes will still need to be running. Are they gonna make it like iOS, like having applications only sending certain data, like audio etc? Just some thoughts on this. I still want to believe that the missing indicator was just a presentation thing and that it's not gonna happen. We'll see soon.

    Also, i would love push notifications on the mac, maybe using growl. This way i won't have to run apps like Mail if i dont' need to.
  21. macrumors 6502a

    Sep 7, 2005
    I'm hoping for a whole new notifications UI across iPhone, iPad & Mac.

    Something that does away with modal popups for notifications and is something akin to growl's music video theme. Fades in, fades out. But with a list view of all the notifications recieved that can be filtered by application/type and searched.
  22. macrumors G3


    Aug 24, 2009
    With auto-resuming Apps... why would you need a dock indicator?
  23. macrumors 6502a


    Nov 30, 2010
    i hope they don't add i multitasking bar like they have in ios. its so much more convenient to close the apps from the dock
  24. macrumors 6502a

    Lord Appleseed

    Nov 7, 2010
    Apple Manor
    Either that, since the Apps were said to be frozen like on iOS, or the lack of indicators was due to the beta build.
  25. macrumors regular

    May 15, 2006
    Hyperdock is also free and does the same thing Cinch does, in addition to win7 like previews when you hover over dock icons.

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