Worth upgrading G3 to G4?

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  1. halfprep455 macrumors regular

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    Would a G3 b&W run significantly faster if I replaced the 350mhz G3 cpu with a 500mhz G4? The RAM has already been maxed out but 10.3 seems to still be running slow. I also put a Radeon 7000 64mb graphics card in it.
     
  2. princealfie macrumors 68030

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    You wouldn't notice too much... Instead, I think that adding a ATA-66 IDE card to control the hard drive would be the best way to speed things up quite a bit. That can aid in seek times on the drive.
     
  3. Queso macrumors G4

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    Rather than spending the money on a G4 processor upgrade, you may be better off finding a PowerMac G4 on eBay. The Quicksilver ones (733MHz-1GHz) go for a song these days.
     
  4. volvoben macrumors 6502

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    Nah, you won't notice a big difference. A powermac g4 is a good idea, but might not be cost effective. I considered a low quicksilver (733) as a stopgap before i can afford a mac pro, but ebay prices are at least $250 without much ram/hdd/video, so $250 plus 110 for a gig of ram, $50 for a sata card to use a modern HDD, plus $70 for a 250gig hdd, assuming you're ok with the video you're still out $480. Not what I want to spend for a 6 year old computer, and getting awfully close to a refurb mini.

    DA g4 733s or dual 533s are a little cheaper, but I don't think the ebay market will get you any great deals. schools are getting rid of this era powermacs, sometimes they'll unload them cheap, or maybe someone in the marketplace here has one. If not, stick with a slow G3 for now if it gets the job done, or save for a mini or the best deal in macs at this time, G5 powermacs. For around $1000 you can get a decently equipped and almost modern dual 1.8 or 2.0. For that money you could also get a base refurb C2D macbook though.

    sorry, that got long because i'm at work!
     
  5. halfprep455 thread starter macrumors regular

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    Thank You for your help. I just have one more question, I put a USB 2.0 PCI card in and the computer dosent seem to recognize it. Is there a firmware update I have to do or something?
     
  6. SteveG4Cube macrumors 6502

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    Overclock it to 400-450, stuff it full of RAM, and get a big 7200rpm hard drive. We did that to my friend's B&W and it was like a different machine. It's now almost as snappy as my eMac 800mhz for most day to day tasks.
     
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  9. halfprep455 thread starter macrumors regular

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    Thank You lot. It is running much faster now! The only problem it still had is the PCI to USB card. The computer dosent seem to recognize anything that is plugged in to it.
     
  10. Eidorian macrumors Penryn

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    The problem with PCI Extreme that it does unlock Quartz Extreme on the PCI bus but it WILL effect other cards on that bus. Some cards might be unrecognizable and others might suffer degraded performance due to heavy bus saturation for video.

    I was able to use a wi-fi card simultaneously with PCI Extreme. No word on if your USB PCI card will work with PCI Extreme enabled.
     
  11. halfprep455 thread starter macrumors regular

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    It didnt work before I installed PCI extreme.
     
  12. nazmac21 macrumors 6502a

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    It's a good deal, but I recommend a G5 processor if you going to spend that money.
     
  13. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    "Significantly" is a relative term. It will run noticeably faster. But I'll ask you what nobody else has asked:

    (1) How much will you pay for the G4 upgrade?

    (2) How long do you expect to keep the Mac?

    (3) What are you using it for?

    All of these factors come into play whenever you evaluate the value of an upgrade. My general feeling is that if you're hoping to keep this Mac useful for at least another year or so, and the cost of the upgrade isn't much over $100, then it's worthwhile.

    Good luck finding a G5 upgrade... since AFAIK, none were ever made.
     
  14. nazmac21 macrumors 6502a

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    Unless you buy the G5 Processor directly from IBM or get a G5 from a friend's or neighbors' PowerMac G5.
     
  15. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    And you could just shove one of them right into a B&W G3? First I've heard of it.
     
  16. nazmac21 macrumors 6502a

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    Sure, I am that person that likes to give ideas that nobody tried before. Also, add more fans to that PowerMac once you get the G5.:D
     
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    I Wouldn't Spend Another Dime On That Old Shoe

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  18. Copland macrumors regular

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    I seriously doubt it. Even if the pin configuration on the CPUs were the same (unlikely), the motherboard would probably not support it. And, you would need to get some serious cooling on it :D
     
  19. nazmac21 macrumors 6502a

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    Go for it

    Just do it on the G4 upgrade, if the G5 upgrade is not possible. G4 is still not that bad of a chip. You'll see better perfomance than the G3.
     
  20. Maxwell Smart macrumors 6502a

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    Wait until you have enough money to spring for a refurb mini. You will get a MUCH faster system capable of anything Apple has to put out for a long time.
     
  21. zap2 macrumors 604

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    Nope...although in your other thread I covered what I think your doing.



    Either way, OP, DON"T BUY A G5 chip 2nd hand...you'll be out money. Look at a Intel Mac Mini or Used Power mac G4
     
  22. halfprep455 thread starter macrumors regular

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    Ill probably sell this b&w on ebay and buy a used g4 or intel mac mini. What ever comes to mind. I looked into upgrading the RAM and CPU and it seems like its a better idea to just get another machine. Would I get more money if I sold the computer as a whole or selling the individual parts?
     
  23. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    I thought the RAM was already maxed out. That's what you said.

    Just sell the thing as-is. Parting out is a pain in the neck.
     
  24. halfprep455 thread starter macrumors regular

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    The RAM is maxed out. I was looking to see if I could upgrade it beyond 1gb. Its running itunes and firefox ok but other then that, it doesn't seem very useful for to much else. I think I'm going to either buy a refurb mac mini or see if I can find a G4 for a good price. I got this B&W for free and I was using it to see how macs handle. Seens so much better then my PC already. lol. Does anyone know where I can get a used G4 for a good price besides ebay?
     
  25. halfprep455 thread starter macrumors regular

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    What website did you find those mac mini's?
     

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