XBOX NEXT

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    markjones05

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    I hear alot of different things about this rumord soon to be released system. Does anyone have any real information? If it's going to be released this year why havn't we heard anything for certain? This is no way to promote a next generation system.
     
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    I think Microsoft has stated that it is indeed making Xbox 2 although they said they probably wouldnt show it off until next year... unlike Sony/Nintendo
     
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    Microsoft is going for an earlier launch then PS3. I heard many rumors and read many threads on the Xbox forums about xbox 2 being realease either the end of this year (highly doubtfull) or beginning -middle 06. Basically within the next year and a half.
     
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    mrgreen4242

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    The release time frames above sound inline with what I have heard as well. Expect some early demos at this summers E3, and an announcement of when they will launch sometime after that. If Sony announces a holiday season '05 launch, I expect MS to follow suit, otherwise, 2006 is more likely.

    As far as non-release news, I saw some screen captures of a couple tech demo's awhile back (linked via slashdot, pretty reliable source) that were highly impressive. Think HDTV resolution and graphics that are comparible to what todays best PC gaming systems and you'll be pretty close.

    I'm most interested in the rumors that MS will be releasing several models of the Xbox Next... a 'basic' model that has no HD and uses flash memory cards for save games, and potentially online updates; a home media model that includes a HD and a tv tuner for TiVo like functions; lastly a 'WebTV/personal computer' model that has the same features as the home media model, but also comes with a jeyb/mouse, and a windowing enivroment with some basic apps, like a web browser, email client, chat program, and some office-like package. Prices are (wildly) speculated to be around $300, $500, and $600, respectively.

    I'm mostly interested in the fact that there may be an optional keyboard/mouse available as an official accessory, so maybe we will see games that utilize that as a control scheme. FPS and MMORPGs (and 'regualr' RPGs, I guess) would be the obvious applications, but there is also the RTS genre and maybe a resurgence of Adventure games that could use a mouse. That, combined with a good Live! type service being offered at launch could change my mind about getting one of these.

    Rob
     
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    markjones05

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    That would be rather cool, but extremely unfair for online purposes. Playing someone in a first person shooter like Halo3 would be like cheating if someone had the advantage of using a mouse while others fumbled around with a 2 joystick controller.
     
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    Well, that's easy enough to handle... I believe that Halo 2 already prevents you from using a keyboard or mouse to play the game. You HAVE to use the standard controller, or some variation thereof.
     
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    You won't find any hard dates but EA released it's 2005 lineup which contained a few Next Gen Xbox titles listed as 4Q 2005.



    January 21, 2005 - Netherlands-based fan site Xboxworld reports on an Electronic Arts press event held in Zoetermeer, the Netherlands recently, in which the publishing giant revealed tantalizing next-generation console plans.


    While EA confirmed Batman Begins and Medal of Honor: Dogs of War for fiscal 2005, the bigger news is a line-up of titles reportedly scheduled for Xbox and Xbox Next:
    Battlefield: Modern Combat
    The Godfather
    "Secret Marvel Project"
    Black
    FIFA Soccer 2006
    Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 2006
    Need for Speed: Most Wanted
    SSX 4
    Urbz 2
    Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
    Burnout 4
    James Bond: From Russia with Love
    FIFA Street 2
    While we cannot consider this an official announcement from EA, given that it comes to us from secondary sources, we can say that the list above is in line with our own understanding of EA’s next-generation plans. In fact, we’re even willing to predict that the "Secret Marvel project" is in fact the long-anticipated Marvel vs. EA fighter. As for another SSX or Need for Speed, well, we’re not quite spasming with surprise.

    Still, any next-gen tidbits are tasty to our palates. We’ll be back with even more as soon as we can get new info for you. Watch this space
     
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    This is a little old, but points to a 2006 release in Japan and that the xbox next will be smaller. Couldn't find the original comments by Steve Ballmer about this though.

    http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/rpg/truefantasyliveonline/news_6086279.html

    I think that some of the rumors are a little exaggerated. Microsoft lost money on each xbox sold. I don't think they will be willing to do that with xbox next. Just not good business sense, especially now that they have an installed user base.

    E3 will be really interesting as I believe all three next gen consoles will be shown in some way or another.
     
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    It's not really bad business sense to take a loss on the consoles themselves.
    It's not as though Microsoft ended up taking a loss on their entire xbox endeavor, just on each system sold. Hell, the profits from Halo alone probably made up what they lost on the console.
    What taking a loss on each console let them do was use better technology in their system than any of the competition. (Gamecube might be my favorite current system, but I have to admit, XBox has is beat in the graphics department.) Since Microsoft doesn't have any old catalog to entice users (like PS2 did with PSX and GC with everyone other nintendo system), they had to lure users with something else, and spending extra money on system itself was the best way to do it (along with Halo, heh). Game manufacturers have never made a huge amount of money from the consoles, they just rely on people to buy at least 5 or 6 games eventually, and rake in the profits from that.
     
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    ZildjianKX

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    You'll definately see it launch Xbox 2005 in US, and probably later around the world. MS wants to be the first ones out of the gate this time around, with the PS2 hitting X-mas 2006 (and probably the same for Nintendo).
     
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    I totally agree with you that it made sense for Microsoft to take a loss on the xbox. They were the newcomer and had to offer something more for the same price. I just don't see a benefit for them to take a loss, or as much of a loss per unit on xbox next as they did with the xbox. They have an old catalog now, so I think they will play on that more. If Halo 3 is ready in time for launch, I don't think they will have a problem selling xbox next.
     
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    The xBox will only have 1 version for consumers.

    Muliple version of the same machine confuse andharm the product.
     
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    markjones05

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    I disagree. Why pay 500 for a hard drive and backwards compatability and possibly windows, when u simply want the stripped down version because you have a computer and are keeping your original xbox for only 300? Thats like saying multiple versions of the iPod harm its sales... totally rediculous.
     
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    combatcolin

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    Apple make money on each iPod sold.

    Microsoft lose (A LOT OF) money on each xBox sold.

    Microsoft may be loaded, but there not going to want to lose any more money on the mulit-billion $$$ losing xBox project.

    xBox 2 is where Microsoft are planning to make money back, and they will not be aiming to waste money on building machines that will fragment and confuse the user base.
     
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    combatcolin

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    Mega CD anyone?

    Sorry, it the Geneisis CD over the pond wasn't it?
     
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    mrgreen4242

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    I'm pretty sure that all consoles (at least the more recent ones) are sold at a loss, at first anyways. As the console ages it becomes cheaper to make (2 or 3 year old GPUs, for example, cost a fraction of what they did new, and 128mb RAM DIMMs are the same). The new PS2 is a good example of this. The cost of making the new, smaller system board, with the samller case, is probably considerably less than the original was to make, and they sell if for the same price. Sony is starting to make money, or at least not lose any, on the PS2.

    Also, as the console maker, they get a cut of each game sold, in way of licensing fees. I've read that MS would break even on the sale of an XBox as long as the user also bought 5 games at some point, which is pretty reasonable. After that is profit. Tack onto that XBox Live! subscriptions, controllers, memory cards, and first party games profit, and it's safe to say that they made plenty of cash on the XBox.

    Also, the idea that 'several versions of the XBox will confuse consumers' complete bunk. Are people confused becasue there are no less than 4 versions of the iPod (Shuffle, Mini, iPod, and Photo)? 7 if you count the varying HD sizes... People will understand that there are 3 versions of the XBox, and they all do 1 basic thing, play games, and for some extra $$$ you can get a model that does some extra things (record TV, browse the Web, etc).

    MS has all the technology they need to release a PVR Xbox... with experience from Ultimate TV and the Windows Media Center they are ready to challenge the other PVR brands for a home theatre system. Plus, with the success of Live! they have a good chance at sellign tiered service plans... $50/year for gaming only Live! and $100 for gaming and PVR subscription. It's a potential cash cow.

    Anyways, this is too long as it is. I'm hoping for a 2005 release as well, just to put pressure on Nintendo to release something STELLAR this time around. Don't get me wrong, I have and love my GC, but as they are in a pretty close race for SECOND place with MS, they need to do something brilliant with the next generation system to stay viable.

    Rob
     
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    ZildjianKX

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    Actually SEGA CD.
     
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    I personally can't wait until Nintendo Revolution, that will be something! Supposed to come out christmas time 05.
     
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    I poked around and found this. I find it interesting that early XBox 2 dev kits rely on Mac G5's. I just pasted the "factual" portion but there is more listed as rumors and things they have heard.


    http://stuffo.howstuffworks.com/nextbox1.htm

    What we know:

    IBM has signed on to replace Intel as the provider of processor technology in new Xbox products and services.

    ATI Technologies has signed a contract with Microsoft to produce the graphics chip for the next Xbox. This is a switch from the hardware giant Nvidia who produced chips for the first Xbox. Here's what Robbie Bach, the vice president of the Microsoft Home and Entertainment Division had to say about the partnership with ATI in August 2003:

    "We're combining Microsoft's vision, software experience and R&D resources with ATI's pioneering leadership in graphics technologies to create innovative future Xbox products and services that meet the lifestyle needs of consumers in the Digital Decade ... We selected ATI after reviewing the top graphics technologies in development and determining that ATI's technical vision fits perfectly with the future direction of Xbox."

    Taiwanese chip maker Silicon Integrated Systems will help create the input/output chips for the Xbox 2.

    The B/R/S Group, a California-based market research company that has the Xbox division of Microsoft on its client-list has been holding focus groups to study a device it refers to as Xbox Next PC.

    Company representatives have acknowledged that "Xenon" is the code name for the Xbox 2 project.

    Microsoft is set to send out the Xbox 2 developer's kit in the first quarter of 2005. This kit will include an R500 card. Microsoft's current kit is powered with older Radeon 9800 cards. The first round of Dev kits are meant to run on Mac G5s. The Xbox 2 uses a RISC CPU and not the Intel X64 compliant CPU that was used for Xbox 1. If you know what all of that means, good for you.
     
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    Yea and I bet you are one of those people who thinks a two button mouse is too confusing for the low end mac user base.
     
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    90% of all consoles sold make a loss, specifically because they make the huge profits on the games. they sell the console at a loss to entice customers to the platform.

    the Xbox2 will lose money on each console too. that's the way the market works. it's unlike any other.
     
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    Every video game system ever has been a loss leader!! I defy you to name one that wasn't. They all take several years to reach a point where marginal cost drops below price.

    XBox is, however, apparently profitable now.

    http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20987

    This is a surprisingly short amount of time, IMO, because the XBox is undoubtedly the greatest leap forward ever in video game technology. (Built-in ethernet, HD, 4 controller ports, far better graphics, etc.)

    The whole idea of an XBox/Media PC is totally stupid. Here's what MS ought to do: Offer the same XBox with the same RAM and Processor configuration, and offer two or three different sizes of HD. 10GB for low end users who just need to save games and use the scratch space for loading stuff quickly. Then a 500GB model with a TV-tuner and Tivo-like software. (Price point: $500.) Furthermore, the high-end model needs to allow games to be installed to HD, and games need to have DRM built-in to make this acceptible to game developers. I've seen XBoxes that are hacked to allow these two features (TV and copying games to HD) and its so much more convenient than fumbling with different game disks, especially when you are only rotating between, say, three or four different games for a few months at a time. The remote needs to be included in the box this time, and not use up a controller port.

    The XBox2 also better have coaxial digital output built-in, and HD resolution should be the standard. And a less ugly box would be a perk...like say a Mac mini box.

    Edit: I realize that the fifth paragraph sounds self-contradicting, perhaps. All I meant is that the media functions should look like Tivo, basically, not a windows desktop (which would be a funny thing running on a PPC chip), and there should not be a mouse or keyboard (even as an option) nor should there be a web browser built-in, etc.
     
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    I've heard the Xbox Next is coming out later this year, too. I agree with the previous post that it needs to include a remote and not have you spent extra for DVD and take up a port. Also, it is annoying that the current Xbox only supports HDTV on certain games and when it does, it is only 480p 9 out of 10 times. I want to see some 720p and 1080i in games like Halo 3. My TV has DVI and 4 sets of high speed component inputs, it'd be nice if I could use them for more than a low res version of their "HDTV" promise. Also, use higher quality parts. I've gone through 3 Xbox systems because the cheap DVD drive crapped out on the others and my games would freeze whenever the disc would spin down for more than a few minutes after rendering a scene. Coax digital as an option would be awesome, too. Optical is great, but when you have your system fully loaded and the wires are kind of tightly packed back in your home theater system, it gets to be a pain to try to make sure your $100 optical cable isn't being bent more than x amount of degrees in any one direction. Also, if the next Xbox doesn't weigh 11 lbs, put out an enormous amount of heat and noise, and didn't tower over everything else in your living room, it would be a nice plus. Here's hoping that Microsoft doesn't half ass this system, because the PS3 looks to be one massive beast of a machine and Nintendo promises some incredibly revolutionary ideas out of the next generation platform.
     
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    I don't know about that... I think Nintendo and Sony had no trouble posting profits for their individual consoles earlier. Nintendo is able to offer the GameCube at under $100 because there's no extra, non-game-related hardware (such as the ability to play DVDs) and ATI was able to make significantly cheaper GPUs very early (I remember reading that at IGN when the GameCube was still $199), so it's no trouble. Sony probably was able to lower price because it's a slightly older console and costs dropped off. And the X-Box probably finally found its equilibrium after all these years. It's definitely pretty late considering they're ready to move to the next generation of consoles in less than a year.

    If Microsoft is going to offer multiple versions of its X-Box successor, it really needs to make it simple for the user to figure out. It needs to keep the CPU, GPU, and maybe RAM the same. Let them add more HD capacity, PVR capabilities, internet access, etc. But make the differences clear and not mess around with the basic gaming hardware. I don't want to be told the low-end X-Box can't play certain games as well as the high-end X-Box because they changed the core hardware.

    Anyways, those tech support stories about two-button mice not being easy for the first-time user is no joke. Ask some real tech support people. I've read and heard many different stories from many tech support people about how they do get a two-button mouse problem fairly often.
     

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