I used to post in this forum a few years ago and I'd like to say that the quality of the postings here in general have gone far downhill. I am disappointed in all of you. The conservatives and libertarians have all left, leaving one unified contingent of slavish groupthinkers. Thoughtful discussion used to be necessary out of simple politeness and decency, but with no one left to debate, serious discussion has given away to nothing but cheap shots left and right. You should be ashamed of yourselves. You are very intelligent, but you waste it by making no effort to understand differing points of view and reach innovative, practical solutions to problems. You are caught in a feedback loop, reinforcing your own correctness and assuredness. I expect more from liberals. If we really are morally superior, then we should act like it. If we preach tolerance and respect for diversity then we should practice it by tolerating and respecting differing POVs and even our political opponents. I would like any non-liberals reading this to know that reading these forums makes me (a liberal who's just as liberal as anyone else here) personally embarrassed to be considered part of this group, and that you are all welcome to chime in whenever you feel like it. Time to take a leak.