ZFS in Leopard?

Discussion in 'macOS' started by MacVault, Dec 14, 2006.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. MacVault macrumors 65816

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2002
    Location:
    Planet Earth
    #1
    Any hard evidence Leopard will use ZFS as it's default filesystem?
     
  2. SmurfBoxMasta macrumors 65816

    SmurfBoxMasta

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2005
    Location:
    I'm only really here at night.
    #2

    lots of rumours & speculation, but I havent seen or heard anything that can be positively substantiated (yet)

    perhaps someone else has more info

    stay tuned :p
     
  3. Catfish_Man macrumors 68030

    Catfish_Man

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2001
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    #3
    Highly unlikely. They'll almost certainly let it bake for a while before trying to make it the default (also afaik it's not bootable yet).
     
  4. SC68Cal macrumors 68000

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2006
    #4
    Doubtful.

    I'm not sure where I stand on HFS vs. UFS

    They've got to do something about Finder, for sure.
     
  5. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2002
    Location:
    Gone but not forgotten.
    #5
    I still haven't seen any evidence that ZFS has been added to Leopard.

    Even though it can host other file systems, if ZFS is not yet bootable, it won't be the primary file system. Isn't HFS+ still encapsulated within an HFS volume, as it was originally, so that systems that don't support HFS+ can observe it?
     
  6. SmurfBoxMasta macrumors 65816

    SmurfBoxMasta

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2005
    Location:
    I'm only really here at night.
    #6
    uumm.....UFS & ZFS are 2 different things, like totally dude !
     
  7. MisterMe macrumors G4

    MisterMe

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2002
    Location:
    USA
    #7
    It can be, but the standard implementation of HFS+ is naked.
     
  8. albeik macrumors regular

    albeik

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2003
    #8
    I saw this posted on Digg.
    http://www.osnews.com/story.php/16739/Screenshot-ZFS-in-Leopard

    Can't get to the "actual" site right now. Anyone checked it out?

    "ZFS is in Leopard. *But* you cannot use it as the main partition type from the installer... yet, if at all. So it is not The file system of choice in Leopard. http://exiva.net/per/DSC03347.JPG"
     
  9. thejadedmonkey macrumors 604

    thejadedmonkey

    Joined:
    May 28, 2005
    Location:
    Pa
    #9
    here's a copy of the image incase the server gets dugg.

    nvm, too late..
     
  10. albeik macrumors regular

    albeik

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2003
    #10
    Here is the screenshot...
     

    Attached Files:

  11. SC68Cal macrumors 68000

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2006
    #11

    I should have said HFS vs. UFS vs. ZFS. I'm not sure of the three which one that I would prefer.

    Typo.
     
  12. Catfish_Man macrumors 68030

    Catfish_Man

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2001
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    #12
    Considering Apple's UFS implementation is ancient and pretty bad, I'd exclude UFS from the comparison.
     
  13. BollywooD macrumors 6502

    BollywooD

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2005
    Location:
    Surfers Paradise
    #13
    another screenshot, from the net:
     

    Attached Files:

    • zfs.jpeg
      zfs.jpeg
      File size:
      86.8 KB
      Views:
      171
  14. AtHomeBoy_2000 macrumors 6502a

    AtHomeBoy_2000

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2005
    #14
    Now if only M$ would join in on the 21st century, that would be great!
    No doubt that Windows wont read ZFS in the future because open source is a cancer ;)
     
  15. thejadedmonkey macrumors 604

    thejadedmonkey

    Joined:
    May 28, 2005
    Location:
    Pa
    #15
    Windows really needs to take a bite out of Apple and open up their OS..;)
     
  16. imacintel macrumors 68000

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2006
  17. SC68Cal macrumors 68000

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2006
    #17
    Microsoft took the whole NT project and laid a Cleveland steamer on it. Read up on it sometime, you'll know what I mean.
     
  18. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

    mkrishnan

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2004
    Location:
    Grand Rapids, MI, USA
    #18
    Well, here's to hoping, but doesn't that look awfully fake?
     
  19. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2002
    Location:
    Gone but not forgotten.
    #19
    Being that Apple's UFS is different than others doesn't help. Besides that, UFS2 arrived in FreeBSD 5.0 but Apple chose to ignore it.
     
  20. MacVault thread starter macrumors 65816

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2002
    Location:
    Planet Earth
    #20
    Sun's ZFS vs Zetera's ZFS?

    Does anyone know if Sun's ZFS offers Storage over Internet Protocol (SoIP) as does Zetera's ZFS? It seems very "cool" to be able to just plug a bare-bones hard drive (no OS, etc) into an ethernet cable somewhere on the network - rather than into a SATA cable. Is this not what Sun's ZFS is all about? Or is it? Is Sun's ZFS "way better" than Zetera's ZFS? Or are they totally different beasts and thus not to be compared???
     
  21. tyr2 macrumors 6502a

    tyr2

    Joined:
    May 6, 2006
    Location:
    Leeds, UK
    #21
    No ZFS (in Solaris) doesn't support sharing over IP directly. ZFS is all about managing local storage rather than for sharing to the network.

    However when a ZFS volume is created it's possible to have this automatically shared out over NFS.

    Sun ZFS vs Zetera ZFS. They're totally different, just happen to have the same acronym.
     
  22. tyr2 macrumors 6502a

    tyr2

    Joined:
    May 6, 2006
    Location:
    Leeds, UK
    #22
    Neither of those screen shots are convincing me. Why would a DVD image be in ZFS format, that just doesn't make any sense.

    It's worth pointing out that ZFS is more than just a FileSystem it includes volume management as well. A quick outline to create ZFS volumes in Solaris goes like this:

    1 - Create a storage pool. Just stick in all the disks you want to use in the pool.
    2 - Make volumes out of the pool. For example you can say 'give me 5 mirrored volumes' and they will be automatically generated from the pool.

    Neither of the screenshots seem to include anything like that kind of functionality.

    Also ZFS volumes don't really have a defined size as such. The volume can grow to fill all available space in the storage pool (you can set a limit or a reservation).
     
  23. arn macrumors god

    arn

    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2001
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page