‘GUN OWNERS ARE TERRORISTS’: HILLARY NODS IN AGREEMENT


rdowns

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Not nearly enough anger in your post. You had a great start with an all caps title. Might I suggest handing off these topics to aaronvan so we can get the proper amount of outrage in the original posts?
 

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Agree with @rdowns, I must say.

Actually, I expected to read that she had cackled in gleeful agreement with the original statement, or had screeched sadistic approval in what some argue is her disagreeable voice, rather than merely nodded her concurrence in an objective manner.
 

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Agree with @rdowns, I must say.

Actually, I expected to read that she had cackled in gleeful agreement with the original statement, or had screeched sadistic approval in what some argue is her disagreeable voice, rather than merely nodded her concurrence in an objective manner.
She probably read the other thread about her cackling and went with a nod this time.
 

keysofanxiety

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As a European peering into the American culture, I must say it's a crying shame that any mention of issues with guns seemingly gets a knee-jerk response of "they're trying to take away our freedom". No other first world country has this issue anywhere close to the level that the US does.

I genuinely can't comprehend how you don't think it's a problem which needs to be dealt with.
 

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These types of threads are beyond silly and suggest a very unhealthy mindset. For my own sanity, not to pollute my mind with such garbage, I'm going to have to starting putting more people on my ignore list.
As a European peering into the American culture, I must say it's a crying shame that any mention of issues with guns seemingly gets a knee-jerk response of "they're trying to take away our freedom". No other first world country has this issue anywhere close to the level that the US does.

I genuinely can't comprehend how you don't think it's a problem which needs to be dealt with.
Joking aside, I agree completely with you both.

Viewed from elsewhere, the intemperate tone of some of these threads and posts, and their lack of nuance, let alone the content and subject matter, are profoundly unsettling.
 

thewitt

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For anyone who still has any doubts what kind of individual the dems might nominate to run for president.

First she circumvented the constitution via the patriot act and now she propagates calling you 'terrorist'.


This will give the Republicans a 15% lead in the poles all by itself.

She doesn't understand that the 2nd Amendment is valued by both the right and the left, and it's really only the socialists who want to disarm the population.
 

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As a European peering into the American culture, I must say it's a crying shame that any mention of issues with guns seemingly gets a knee-jerk response of "they're trying to take away our freedom". No other first world country has this issue anywhere close to the level that the US does.

I genuinely can't comprehend how you don't think it's a problem which needs to be dealt with.
Not one more inch. The 2nd is a RIGHT
[doublepost=1460474333][/doublepost]Democrats love to disarm Americans & arm terrorist , typical.
 

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This will give the Republicans a 15% lead in the poles all by itself.

She doesn't understand that the 2nd Amendment is valued by both the right and the left, and it's really only the socialists who want to disarm the population.
Not one more inch. The 2nd is a RIGHT
[doublepost=1460474333][/doublepost]Democrats love to disarm Americans & arm terrorist , typical.
Now, the only word I could inject to whip this up even further so that it could effortlessly attain a white hot heat would be 'abortion'……….

Believe me, Across the Pond, the perfervid frothing responses to any attempt at a sane discussion of this issue leaves us…….a bit baffled.
 

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A right which is quite obviously out of control. Your rights don't prevent you from taking a step back and taking an objective view on the situation. How many more school shootings will be necessary to convince you that there is a problem.
Agreed, @keysofanxiety, and well said. The number of kids, - not to mention teachers and others - who have been killed - slaughtered - in this way are an absolute disgrace and utter scandal, and should be a source of deep shame to anyone who classes themselves as a sentient thinking human being in the US. There are searching questions that US culture and society need to ask of themselves on such matters.

However, I will say that it was a perfectly sensible right for, or in, a frontier society in the 18th century which did not wish to have a standing army (not least because such a body might side with the oppressors, and might need levels of taxation designed to squeeze a population to maintain).

But, the United States is no longer a frontier society where you shot rabbits for the stock pot, (and thus needed a gun) and nor is it a society where a foreign army, paid for by extortionate taxation, oppresses the population, and where the citizens of this society may need to defend themselves - and thus arm themselves - against foreign oppressors.

The conditions that gave rise to the Second Amendment, - a frontier society where the concept of a citizen army was developed - no longer exist.

Your society has changed out of all recognition from that of the late 18th century, but some of your laws - and amendments - fail to take these changes into account.

Worse, any attempt to introduce sanity into a discussion and interrogation of this topic produces some of the most moronic and wildly perfervid responses imaginable.
 
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keysofanxiety

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It was a perfectly sensible right for, or in, a frontier society in the 18th century which did not wish to have a standing army (not least because such a body might side with the oppressors, and might need levels of taxation designed to squeeze a population to maintain).

But, the United States is no longer a frontier society where you shot rabbits for the stock pot, and nor is it a society where a foreign army, paid for by extortionate taxation, oppresses the population, and where the citizens of this society may need to defend themselves against foreign oppressors.

The conditions that gave rise to the Second Amendment, - a frontier society where the concept of a citizen army was developed - no longer exist.
You're absolutely right. Regrettably the gun culture is so ingrained and synonymous with one's rights/freedom, that having a logical discussion on the issues seem to be completely off the table.

I think what truly articulates the mindset is that a vast majority of people suggest 'arming the teachers' in response to school shootings. As if this is the only logical resolution. Forgive me, Scepticalscribe; though as much as I would love to see you dual-wielding Gatling guns, draped in bandoliers, with a grenade tightly gripped between your gritted teeth, I think there must be a better way. :)
 

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You're absolutely right. Regrettably the gun culture is so ingrained and synonymous with one's rights/freedom, that having a logical discussion on the issues seem to be completely off the table.

I think what truly articulates the mindset is that a vast majority of people suggest 'arming the teachers' in response to school shootings. As if this is the only logical resolution. Forgive me, Scepticalscribe; though as much as I would love to see you dual-wielding Gatling guns, draped in bandoliers, with a grenade tightly gripped between your gritted teeth, I think there must be a better way. :)
I used to be an academic. Voice and eyes worked well as a form of control in the classroom for me. Respect, too, helped - a respect that cut both ways.

But agreed, the school slaughters are an absolute scandal, and the idea that teachers should be armed is a nonsense, and a complete travesty of what education should be all about.
 

keysofanxiety

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I used to be an academic. Voice and eyes worked as control in the classroom for me.

But agreed, the school slaughters are an absolute scandal, and the idea that teachers should be armed is a nonsense, and a complete travesty of what education should be all about.
Absolutely. If a culture hits a point where the 'logical' solution to a problem is that teachers should be armed to the hilt for fear of a shooting, there's a mighty damn fine issue that needs to be radically resolved. It boggles the mind, it really does.
 

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A right which is quite obviously out of control. Your rights don't prevent you from taking a step back and taking an objective view on the situation. How many more school shootings will be necessary to convince you that there is a problem.
I am curious how it is out of control? Yes people kill people with guns all the time, most per the FBI are not registered to the owner or at all. (more deaths are caused by cars) So taking away guns won't stop the shooting, just like posting a sign saying drug free zone wont make it a drug free zone.
I like my guns, and will keep my guns.
 

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Now, the only word I could inject to whip this up even further so that it could effortlessly attain a white hot heat would be 'abortion'……….

Believe me, Across the Pond, the perfervid frothing responses to any attempt at a sane discussion of this issue leaves us…….a bit baffled.
I don't like Abortion, so I will NEVER have one, everyone else is free to do as they wish, their body/their problem.
 
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I am curious how it is out of control?
Most civilised countries class frequent killing of innocent school children as an issue.

Yes people kill people with guns all the time,
Fantastic nonchalance. Best shrug it off, these things happen, huh?

So taking away guns won't stop the shooting,
No other civilised country has a gun issue anywhere close to the US. Taking away guns won't immediately solve anything. It may never solve anything. It might not even be the correct thing to do. But not admitting that there is a problem, is part of the problem.

I like my guns, and will keep my guns.
Well that's the most important thing.
 

jkcerda

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A right which is quite obviously out of control. Your rights don't prevent you from taking a step back and taking an objective view on the situation. How many more school shootings will be necessary to convince you that there is a problem.
to liberals feelings trump rights. problem is not the gun, it's society.
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I am curious how it is out of control? Yes people kill people with guns all the time, most per the FBI are not registered to the owner or at all. (more deaths are caused by cars) So taking away guns won't stop the shooting, just like posting a sign saying drug free zone wont make it a drug free zone.
I like my guns, and will keep my guns.
over 300 million in the U.S. about 8-12 k deaths that are NOT suicides & it's mostly thugs taking each other out.
 

keysofanxiety

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to liberals feelings trump rights. problem is not the gun, it's society.
Problem is the gun. A gun's sole purpose is to shoot a metal object at high speed to damage or kill something. It's an easy, impassioned way to deal damage.

It's not a coincidence that countries with strict gun laws have next to no shootings. And by next-to-none, we're talking about less than 5 in a year. Is that a number you can comprehend? Do the maths. It's not hard to figure out the correlation.
 

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Most civilised countries class frequent killing of innocent school children as an issue.



Fantastic nonchalance. Best shrug it off, these things happen, huh?



No other civilised country has a gun issue anywhere close to the US. Taking away guns won't immediately solve anything. It may never solve anything. It might not even be the correct thing to do. But not admitting that there is a problem, is part of the problem.



Well that's the most important thing.
as said, society is the problem. not our rights.
 
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