‘The Butcher Of Libya’: Assange Exposes Clinton War Crimes, Asks Sweden to Set Him Free Read more at

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  1. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/assange-clinton-libya-butcher/#TCqiRmgs1yBJS6lx.01
    but you guys believe the "humanitarian" side of things :rolleyes:
     
  2. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Before anyone starts with the Wikileaks is the kremlin nonsense, this is all publicly available and the reasons for the Libyan invasion are sourced via Congressional hearings:

    http://www.congressionaldish.com/cd131-bombing-libya/

    All sources are cited on the page.

    It's a great listen.
     
  3. Solomani macrumors 68030

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    But the problem is, Sweden is powerless to do anything. The more likely thing to happen? Is that the Trump Administration would eventually have the inclination to kill/assassinate (CIA operations) the WikiLeaks people. He has the moxie to do that, same way that Putin hunts down dissidents that badmouth the Kremlin. Assange and Snowden are considered a major threat to the paranoid Trump administration. It's bad enough Trump absolutely hates minor gossippy leaks coming from inside the WH. But if leaks from the Snowden/Assange camp could politically embarrass (or implicate) the Trump White House on a global scale …. I wouldn't be surprised if one of them ended up dead after "eating bad sushi" in some third world restaurant they are eating in.
     
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    You have too much faith in this administration, Solo.
     
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    I'm telling Chris Pratt on your insensitive butt.
     
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    The guy married to Heidi Montag? Eww, gross.
     
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    At this stage, both Hillary Clinton and Julian Assange are fading into irrelevance, if not actually obscurity.

    You will, for instance, note that when Russian spies hacked into French Presidential Candidate Macron's campaign database, releasing a trove of internal documents, they didn't even bother to run it through WikiLeaks spurious wash cycle. They figured that voters don't really care about the provenance of stolen documents. So they just published it on 4Chan - along with the manga, anime, pornography, hentai, etc.

    Hillary Clinton will go on to enjoy a comfortable retirement. Giving speeches (paid and otherwise), enjoying her grandchildren, and working on causes dear to her. None of which include warmongering or butchering people.

    Julian Assange's future is less clear. For the immediate future he will remain ensconced in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London. But I doubt he will remain there indefinitely. Eventually, his Ecuadorian hosts will succumb to pressures, political or economic. And give him his walking papers. At which point he will have to face justice. Meaning a trial in Sweden for sexual assault, a trial in the United States for espionage crimes. Or - more likely, in my opinion - a sudden, mysterious, and unexplained death, courtesy of Vladimir Putin for knowing a bit too much about the role Wikileaks played over the past decade in his campaign to destabilize the West. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
     
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    Indeed, the woman who participated in the destruction of entire countries gets off scot free. The man who gave us transparency spends his life in what is basically a prison.

    It should be the other way around.
     
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    I would agree if Julian wasn't also wanted for sex crimes. I think that's accurate, right?

    Clinton does belong in prison along with Bush and Obama.
     
  12. Huntn macrumors G5

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    Your article is a crock of ****. In a very neutral tone, :rolleyes: Clinton was accused of being a butcher and speaking with forked tongue, with nothing specific mentioned, unless a I missed it. If this is your typical source for news , no wonder you come up with so many blatantly partisan, right wing, alt Right over the top postings. And I think it's long over due, that you seek some help with your Hillary obsession, unless the goal is simply to liven things up around here. ;)
     
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    Jess did a better job as MR's resident alt right wing conspiracy theorist.
     
  14. zin macrumors 6502

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    There have been no charges filed. He offered to agree to be interviewed in the embassy and it took them five years to do so, claiming it'd be illegal to question him overseas. He was interviewed six months ago. There have not been any developments since.

    It's a ruse to get him extradited to the United States.
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    Hillary is a war criminal.

    We came, he saw, he died...
     
  15. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Chris Pratt, the guy from Parks & Rec??

    I don't get it?
     
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    [​IMG]
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  17. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    she came. she saw, he died.

    what specifics are you looking for? she's a psycho. supported all intervention Obama did.
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    if you guys don't like things then it's a conspiracy :rolleyes:
     
  18. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    I don't think you really understand what happened in Libya, especially as it relates to Hillary Clinton.

    Space does not really permit a full examination of the facts, and the history, of the US - and Hillary Clinton's - role in Libya. For more background, I would suggest a careful reading of the outstanding New York Times examination of the topic. Published in two parts back in February of 2016, it goes into great detail about the difficult choices faced by the world community, the US, the Obama Administration and Hillary Clinton in response to the revolution against Qadaffi that broke out in the wake of the Arab Spring.

    As Secretary of State, Clinton met with leading Libyan opposition figures, including Mahmoud Jibril - who later served as interim Prime Minister of Libya in 2011. These opposition figures painted a somewhat rosy picture of the potential for democracy and stability in a post-Qadaffi Libya.

    It certainly is true that, upon returning to the US, Secretary Clinton encouraged the Obama Administration to take a more pro-active role in the Libyan revolution. But that was largely in response to pressure from US allies - specifically Britain and France - that were calling for a far more pro-active operation in Libya, largely on humanitarian grounds to prevent a massacre of Libyan civilians. The US also faced a situation where Arab countries, starting with Qatar, were independently supplying large amounts of military equipment to various rebel groups.

    The NY Times article does not shy away from placing responsibility for the US role in the Libyan Revolution on Hillary Clinton. But it also points out the fact that there really were no good answers as to what to do about Libya. The Libyan people, with no provocation from the US or Europe, spontaneously rebelled against a brutal dictator. Were we to do nothing - as Sec. Clinton had seen during the Rwandan and Balkan genocides? Or were we to massively, and catastrophically, intervene, as we had done in Iraq?

    If there is one tidbit of history you might want to consider, it is this: At the time, the US participation in the Libyan Civil War was described by an anonymous Administration source as "leading from behind." While this was, at the time, roundly mocked by US conservative figures - it accurately described the role the US played. The US provided limited reconnaissance and logistical support for a no-fly zone enforced by French and British military aircraft. Following the fall of Qadaffi, Secretary Clinton visited Libya in a moment when it looked as if that country was on the brink of a potentially hopeful future. The fact that impression turned out to be mistaken is obvious with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. Qadaffi's decades of rule has left that country with essentially zero institutions capable of creating an effective National Government in that country.

    That tragedy was all but inevitable. However, it also needs to be said that the situation in Libya today is not quite as dire as you seem to believe, That slowly that country is moving to eliminate the worst excesses of Islamist extremism, as exemplified by ISIS, and towards a reasonably stable and effective Government.

    I can think of precisely zero countries, anywhere in the world, that have not undergone at least some period of internal strife when making the sort of transition that Libya is currently doing. That is the way of the world.
     
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    I stand by post #12.
     
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    It puts me on the brink of vomiting to even read the kind of drivel by our resident Kremlin watchman that tries to paint the intervention in good light.

    Gaddafi invited UN inspectors to determine whether he was slaughtering his own people. He pleaded with Tony Blair to send UN inspectors in. He stressed in those telephone calls that it was the terrorists (not 'rebels') killing people in the streets (the same terrorists that eventually took over previously government-held areas). Why invite the UN in if they're going to find out he's been slaughtering people?

    As for the lie that the country was on the 'brink of a potentially hopeful future', THIS is what Obama/Clinton/Cameron/Sarkozy did to Libya:
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    Then again, I'm on his ignore list because I'm a Russian agent that writes stuff he doesn't like.
     
  21. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I stand by all my post :D
     
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    Quite agree. He is only an online news broadcaster. Would the government be so keen to prosecute the editors of Washpo, CNN, Fox, etc if their sources were as good as those of Assange?
     
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    He was trying to get the African Union to go with the Gold Dinar. That's tender backed up up by gold, thus abandon the petrol Dollar. That's probably what got things set in motion to have him removed IMO.
     
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    You do understand that the Gold Dinar (at least the modern-day version of the thing) is a central tenet of Shariah Law.

    There are innumerable reasons why any gold-backed currency is a terrible idea. Not the least of which is that the amount of gold bullion available in the world bears pretty much zero relationship to the amount of goods and services produced by this planet's highly innovative and entrepneurial seven billion inhabitants. The value of all the gold ever mined, throughout all of recorded history, in the entire world is about $7.2 trillion. Or less than a third of the US GDP for a single year. Or about 10% of total annual world GDP.

    An ounce, a gram, a tonne of gold is pretty much useless for anything other than making jewelry or a few oddball industrial processes.

    Why does anyone ascribe unique and peculiar value to that, as opposed to the infinitely variable and exchangeable value of the goods and services freely produced and sold by the people of the world.
     

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