‘The Butcher Of Libya’: Assange Exposes Clinton War Crimes, Asks Sweden to Set Him Free Read more at

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http://thefreethoughtproject.com/assange-clinton-libya-butcher/#TCqiRmgs1yBJS6lx.01
For many of those targets, including Libya, America’s particular brand of Freedom brought with it warlords of every stripe, spates of unhindered violence, and generally deplorable living and humanitarian conditions the original leaders would never have tolerated for civilians, no matter how totalitarian their style of rule.

Invading Libya under the premise Muammar Gaddafi was a tyrant proved to be a whopper of a lie — given the West discovered, to them, a panic-inducing plan by the Libyan leader to move all of Africa away from the almighty petrodollar in favor of the gold-backed dinar.

And that — the lie-shattering evidence in leaked documents from an ethical, free press, which officials could only deliver in their own, newly naked words — is why the media must have as free rein as possible to diligently scrutinize the State, lest its tendency to approve atrocities and justify appalling actions run amok.


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but you guys believe the "humanitarian" side of things :rolleyes:
 

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But the problem is, Sweden is powerless to do anything. The more likely thing to happen? Is that the Trump Administration would eventually have the inclination to kill/assassinate (CIA operations) the WikiLeaks people. He has the moxie to do that, same way that Putin hunts down dissidents that badmouth the Kremlin. Assange and Snowden are considered a major threat to the paranoid Trump administration. It's bad enough Trump absolutely hates minor gossippy leaks coming from inside the WH. But if leaks from the Snowden/Assange camp could politically embarrass (or implicate) the Trump White House on a global scale …. I wouldn't be surprised if one of them ended up dead after "eating bad sushi" in some third world restaurant they are eating in.
 

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At this stage, both Hillary Clinton and Julian Assange are fading into irrelevance, if not actually obscurity.

You will, for instance, note that when Russian spies hacked into French Presidential Candidate Macron's campaign database, releasing a trove of internal documents, they didn't even bother to run it through WikiLeaks spurious wash cycle. They figured that voters don't really care about the provenance of stolen documents. So they just published it on 4Chan - along with the manga, anime, pornography, hentai, etc.

Hillary Clinton will go on to enjoy a comfortable retirement. Giving speeches (paid and otherwise), enjoying her grandchildren, and working on causes dear to her. None of which include warmongering or butchering people.

Julian Assange's future is less clear. For the immediate future he will remain ensconced in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London. But I doubt he will remain there indefinitely. Eventually, his Ecuadorian hosts will succumb to pressures, political or economic. And give him his walking papers. At which point he will have to face justice. Meaning a trial in Sweden for sexual assault, a trial in the United States for espionage crimes. Or - more likely, in my opinion - a sudden, mysterious, and unexplained death, courtesy of Vladimir Putin for knowing a bit too much about the role Wikileaks played over the past decade in his campaign to destabilize the West. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
 

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Indeed, the woman who participated in the destruction of entire countries gets off scot free. The man who gave us transparency spends his life in what is basically a prison.

It should be the other way around.
I would agree if Julian wasn't also wanted for sex crimes. I think that's accurate, right?

Clinton does belong in prison along with Bush and Obama.
 

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Your article is a crock of ****. In a very neutral tone, :rolleyes: Clinton was accused of being a butcher and speaking with forked tongue, with nothing specific mentioned, unless a I missed it. If this is your typical source for news , no wonder you come up with so many blatantly partisan, right wing, alt Right over the top postings. And I think it's long over due, that you seek some help with your Hillary obsession, unless the goal is simply to liven things up around here. ;)
 

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Your article is a crock of ****. In a very neutral tone, :rolleyes: Clinton was accused of being a butcher and speaking with forked tongue, with nothing specific mentioned, unless a I missed it. If this is your typical source for news , no wonder you come up with so many blatantly partisan, right wing, alt Right over the top postings.
Jess did a better job as MR's resident alt right wing conspiracy theorist.
 

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I would agree if Julian wasn't also wanted for sex crimes. I think that's accurate, right?

Clinton does belong in prison along with Bush and Obama.
There have been no charges filed. He offered to agree to be interviewed in the embassy and it took them five years to do so, claiming it'd be illegal to question him overseas. He was interviewed six months ago. There have not been any developments since.

It's a ruse to get him extradited to the United States.
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Your article is a crock of ****. In a very neutral tone, :rolleyes: Clinton was accused of being a butcher and speaking with forked tongue, with nothing specific mentioned, unless a I missed it. If this is your typical source for news , no wonder you come up with so many blatantly partisan, right wing, alt Right over the top postings. And I think it's long over due, that you seek some help with your Hillary obsession, unless the goal is simply to liven things up around here. ;)
Hillary is a war criminal.

We came, he saw, he died...
 
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Your article is a crock of ****. In a very neutral tone, :rolleyes: Clinton was accused of being a butcher and speaking with forked tongue, with nothing specific mentioned, unless a I missed it. If this is your typical source for news , no wonder you come up with so many blatantly partisan, right wing, alt Right over the top postings. And I think it's long over due, that you seek some help with your Hillary obsession, unless the goal is simply to liven things up around here. ;)
she came. she saw, he died.

what specifics are you looking for? she's a psycho. supported all intervention Obama did.
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Jess did a better job as MR's resident alt right wing conspiracy theorist.
if you guys don't like things then it's a conspiracy :rolleyes:
 

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she came. she saw, he died.

what specifics are you looking for? she's a psycho. supported all intervention Obama did.
I don't think you really understand what happened in Libya, especially as it relates to Hillary Clinton.

Space does not really permit a full examination of the facts, and the history, of the US - and Hillary Clinton's - role in Libya. For more background, I would suggest a careful reading of the outstanding New York Times examination of the topic. Published in two parts back in February of 2016, it goes into great detail about the difficult choices faced by the world community, the US, the Obama Administration and Hillary Clinton in response to the revolution against Qadaffi that broke out in the wake of the Arab Spring.

As Secretary of State, Clinton met with leading Libyan opposition figures, including Mahmoud Jibril - who later served as interim Prime Minister of Libya in 2011. These opposition figures painted a somewhat rosy picture of the potential for democracy and stability in a post-Qadaffi Libya.

It certainly is true that, upon returning to the US, Secretary Clinton encouraged the Obama Administration to take a more pro-active role in the Libyan revolution. But that was largely in response to pressure from US allies - specifically Britain and France - that were calling for a far more pro-active operation in Libya, largely on humanitarian grounds to prevent a massacre of Libyan civilians. The US also faced a situation where Arab countries, starting with Qatar, were independently supplying large amounts of military equipment to various rebel groups.

The NY Times article does not shy away from placing responsibility for the US role in the Libyan Revolution on Hillary Clinton. But it also points out the fact that there really were no good answers as to what to do about Libya. The Libyan people, with no provocation from the US or Europe, spontaneously rebelled against a brutal dictator. Were we to do nothing - as Sec. Clinton had seen during the Rwandan and Balkan genocides? Or were we to massively, and catastrophically, intervene, as we had done in Iraq?

If there is one tidbit of history you might want to consider, it is this: At the time, the US participation in the Libyan Civil War was described by an anonymous Administration source as "leading from behind." While this was, at the time, roundly mocked by US conservative figures - it accurately described the role the US played. The US provided limited reconnaissance and logistical support for a no-fly zone enforced by French and British military aircraft. Following the fall of Qadaffi, Secretary Clinton visited Libya in a moment when it looked as if that country was on the brink of a potentially hopeful future. The fact that impression turned out to be mistaken is obvious with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. Qadaffi's decades of rule has left that country with essentially zero institutions capable of creating an effective National Government in that country.

That tragedy was all but inevitable. However, it also needs to be said that the situation in Libya today is not quite as dire as you seem to believe, That slowly that country is moving to eliminate the worst excesses of Islamist extremism, as exemplified by ISIS, and towards a reasonably stable and effective Government.

I can think of precisely zero countries, anywhere in the world, that have not undergone at least some period of internal strife when making the sort of transition that Libya is currently doing. That is the way of the world.
 

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It puts me on the brink of vomiting to even read the kind of drivel by our resident Kremlin watchman that tries to paint the intervention in good light.

Gaddafi invited UN inspectors to determine whether he was slaughtering his own people. He pleaded with Tony Blair to send UN inspectors in. He stressed in those telephone calls that it was the terrorists (not 'rebels') killing people in the streets (the same terrorists that eventually took over previously government-held areas). Why invite the UN in if they're going to find out he's been slaughtering people?

As for the lie that the country was on the 'brink of a potentially hopeful future', THIS is what Obama/Clinton/Cameron/Sarkozy did to Libya:

Then again, I'm on his ignore list because I'm a Russian agent that writes stuff he doesn't like.
 

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It's a ruse to get him extradited to the United States.
Quite agree. He is only an online news broadcaster. Would the government be so keen to prosecute the editors of Washpo, CNN, Fox, etc if their sources were as good as those of Assange?
 

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It puts me on the brink of vomiting to even read the kind of drivel by our resident Kremlin watchman that tries to paint the intervention in good light.

Gaddafi invited UN inspectors to determine whether he was slaughtering his own people. He pleaded with Tony Blair to send UN inspectors in. He stressed in those telephone calls that it was the terrorists (not 'rebels') killing people in the streets (the same terrorists that eventually took over previously government-held areas). Why invite the UN in if they're going to find out he's been slaughtering people?
He was trying to get the African Union to go with the Gold Dinar. That's tender backed up up by gold, thus abandon the petrol Dollar. That's probably what got things set in motion to have him removed IMO.
 
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He was trying to get the African Union to go with the Gold Dinar..
You do understand that the Gold Dinar (at least the modern-day version of the thing) is a central tenet of Shariah Law.

There are innumerable reasons why any gold-backed currency is a terrible idea. Not the least of which is that the amount of gold bullion available in the world bears pretty much zero relationship to the amount of goods and services produced by this planet's highly innovative and entrepneurial seven billion inhabitants. The value of all the gold ever mined, throughout all of recorded history, in the entire world is about $7.2 trillion. Or less than a third of the US GDP for a single year. Or about 10% of total annual world GDP.

An ounce, a gram, a tonne of gold is pretty much useless for anything other than making jewelry or a few oddball industrial processes.

Why does anyone ascribe unique and peculiar value to that, as opposed to the infinitely variable and exchangeable value of the goods and services freely produced and sold by the people of the world.