“Whether people like that idea or not, it is somewhat reflective of our very vicious world”

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    Donald Trump Wanted A White-Versus-Black Season Of “The Apprentice”

    A decade before he launched his presidential bid, Donald Trump was a reality TV sensation in search of a new gimmick for the upcoming season of The Apprentice. In the summer of 2005, he thought he had found it: pit black contestants against white ones in the televised battle for boardroom supremacy.

    Trump floated the prospect of racially segregated Apprentice teams during his short-lived syndicated radio show on July 11, 2005.

    Explaining to listeners that he “wasn’t particularly happy” with the show’s most recent season, Trump said he was mulling “an idea that is fairly controversial — creating a team of successful African-Americans versus a team of successful whites. Whether people like that idea or not, it is somewhat reflective of our very vicious world.”

    The idea — which he had also raised on Howard Stern’s show a couple months earlier, according to a 2005 Entertainment Weekly article — drew an avalanche of coverage, commentary, and question-mark headlines at the time.

    “Will next Apprentice play race card?” asked UPI.

    “Will The Apprentice become a battle of the races?” mused MSNBC.com.

    (In a bizarre bit of time-capsule trivia, multiple critics suggested Trump was inspired by a reality show that ABC had recently yanked before airing, Welcome to the Neighborhood, which would have allowed three white families in suburban Texas to choose their new neighbors from among a group of contestants that included Koreans, African-Americans, pagans, and a same-sex couple with an adopted black child.)

    Renee Graham, a black Boston Globe columnist, wrote that Trump’s idea would make for “nothing short of revolutionary, must-see TV.”

    In dividing the ”Apprentice” teams by race, there would finally be a reality show nervy enough to deal with one of the more difficult dilemmas of our own reality, and where the ultimate stakes would be far more important than just determining who gets to be the Donald’s latest lackey.

    But for the most part, Trump’s proposal was panned by critics and commentators, and a rep for the billionaire moved quickly to tamp down the uproar, assuring reporters, “it’s just an idea.” Sure enough, Trump never went through with it.
    Tara Dowdell, a black communications consultant who appeared on season 3 of The Apprentice, recalled being “floored” when she first heard Trump’s casting idea in 2005. But in retrospect, she says, it seems like the whole episode foreshadowed a 2016 campaign strategy that has cynically fanned the flames of racial resentment and xenophobia.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppi...pre?bffbnews&utm_term=.pg035L8lxB#.ewWaP3bQxY
     
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    SO what is the problem? it would have tackled something many liberals seemingly care about.
     
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    It's reaching into the dusty catacombs to find something, anything, to raise rabble about Trump.

    Trump was ahead of his time floating such a daring creative idea, albeit, after when people started separating into the Democratic wet dream of aggrieved groups.

    Look back at a show like All in the Family (1971), or Sanford & Son (1972) and Good Times (1974) The Jeffersons (1975), which was celebrated for its topics related to racism, rape, and homophobia. What was lauded back then, you could not produce today.
     
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    How would it have "tackled" the problem of racial tensions and discrimination?

    Let's start out by stating the obvious: "The Apprentice" never came close to being in any way a scientifically valid laboratory for business, marketing, or interpersonal skills. Any more than "Survivor" is particularly useful example of the sort of skills necessary in the wild.

    Regardless of whatever team "won" Trump's horrible contest; viewers wouldn't change their opinions. Do you think David Duke and the KKK would have, on learning that the African-American contestants had bested their white opponents, thrown up their hands and said "We were wrong. Sorry 'bout that" and slunk off in the background?

    More distressingly, the very premise of "The Apprentice": that business is a zero-sum game; where you can only succeed at the expense of someone else's failure, is fundamentally flawed. Its wrong in the business world. Its even more toxic in broader society, and especially when it comes to racial and ethnic politics.

    Its not that Donald Trump is racist per se. Its the fact that he is so utterly vulgar; clueless; and paternalistic. And the fact that he seems to lack the sort of internal checks-and-balances that would have prevented him from formulating this loathsome concept.

    And lamely claiming, after the event, that "it was just an idea" doesn't really give me much comfort.

    The President of the United States doesn't have that option.
     
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    please, the current president has no issues with implementing racist policies.
    it was a show idea, nothing more, today you see men kissing other men on TV an no one cares.
     
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    ^ Quite an amazing piece of work, here.

    The shows you mentioned were lauded because they broke down walls, not because they built them.
     
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    are you implying that showing that blacks can be successful at something else other than singing or carrying a ball to the end of the court would not be breaking down walls?
     
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    What's the problem? Successful team of people with light skin vs. successful team of people with dark skin. What does the color matter except as team uniforms that happen to be made of skin?

    Or are you assuming that the dark colored team would lose? That seems pretty racist to me.
     
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    in a way it's good that it never happened, if they had lost the cries for racism would never end. some people will never put their victim card away.
     
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    This is a show idea that builds back the walls of segregation.

    This something Trump supporters tend to enjoy the concept of, so I understand why you are confused.
     
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    Yeah, showing successful black people being able to complete in equal footing with others = segregation . you are indeed confused.
     
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    You don't understand the meaning of the word you are trying to define.
     
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    Would it have been sexist if the teams were men vs. women?
     
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    My mind is not shackled by an invisible white hand that I get to blame for what ever happens to me, so our definitions on the matter might indeed be different.
     
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    If you are going to make such provocative assertions, I would ask you for the courtesy of at least providing us all with an example.

    Please name a "racist policy" implemented by President Obama.

    Links to supporting documentation would be helpful too.
     
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    Lol, Trump has emerged from the catacombs, and we have to deal with him. :D

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    Clever diversion. Yes, you and I agree there was a world back then when we could talk about such ideas as a matter of catharsis, not as attack, which is what the real focus is of the original post.
    --- Post Merged, May 20, 2016 ---

    For starters.

    “Obama’s last act is to force suburbs to be less white and less wealthy”

    Hillary’s rumored running mate, Housing Secretary Julian Castro, is cooking up a scheme to reallocate funding for Section 8 housing to punish suburbs for being too white and too wealthy.

    The scheme involves super-sizing vouchers to help urban poor afford higher rents in pricey areas, such as Westchester County, while assigning them government real estate agents called “mobility counselors” to secure housing in the exurbs.

    Castro plans to launch the Section 8 reboot this fall, even though a similar program tested a few years ago in Dallas has been blamed for shifting violent crime to affluent neighborhoods.


    http://nypost.com/2016/05/08/obamas-last-act-is-to-force-suburbs-to-be-less-white-and-less-wealthy/
     
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    sure.
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/my-brothers-keeper
     
  19. bent christian, May 20, 2016
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    Ha, ha. Baby Boomers. You are a bit out of it. The dialogue about race is an ongoing conversation in popular entertainment, still taking place across multiple platforms. The best is executed without the added, unnecessary layer of subtext shown here, which is a clear shoutout to White Nationalism. This made even more clear given the revelations about Donald Trump through his own words and actions over the past year.
     
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    You're right, it's a complete shutout. Zero score. Showing that equal footing as would have been displayed on the show, will win.

    Glad to see you come around!
     
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    Amazing! When I parsed out the meaning of his post, the result was null factual content. All that was left were a few "a"s and "the"s.
     
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    This hatred toward The Donald is becoming irrational.

    To me all this is like: So ****ing What!?!
     
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    Trump today: Make America Great Again

    "Again." What point in the past does Trump look to as the greatness he would take us to? Shall we return to Trump's 2005 "very vicious world?" Does he long for Bill Clinton's '90s? Perhaps it's the '80's when we were arming Iran to help kill nuns in Central America while ignoring an AIDS holocaust at home? Maybe he wants to be the next Carter or Nixon :eek::p. Or have us turn on, tune and drop out o_O?

    So Trump honks, please tell us what "Again" means.
     
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    Post Obama. Whose golf outings I am glad for, because it means America is that much less damaged by Obama's ministrations.
     

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