10.2.3 and iChat


macrumors regular
Jul 17, 2002

ICQ integration would actually allow me to finally use iChat since I have no AIM buddies...poor me!


macrumors regular
Aug 28, 2002
Austin, TX
I have 3 different messenger programs, MSN, Yahoo, and ICQ, if iChat can reduce the number of individual programs I have to run to chat to all of my buddies, more power to them!

I really want Mail to be redone.....it doesn't retrieve all messages when I try to connect to gamebox.net's POP server...I have to use outlook express to get anything mail missed


macrumors newbie
Jul 17, 2002
London, UK
If you want a good multi-service IM Client right now, try Proteus . I've been using it since version 1.4 and it really is good. Version 2.2 is currently at a stable alpha version which I use daily with no problems. Take a look at the user forums on the site for more info.



macrumors 6502a
Dec 15, 2001
I use iChat now and have no problems, and it seems 10.2.2 fixed some stuff for people who were having problems. AOL is in the process of merging the AOL and ICQ databases now.. Windows AIM beta testers can already talk to ICQ users, so it won't be long before iChat does... I really want to see video and voice chat (using mpeg-4 and aac). Don't count on seeing other services like MSN or Yahoo until everybody decides on a standard instant messaging protocol (which won't happen for many many more years).


macrumors 6502
May 17, 2002
Denver, CO
Re: 10.2.3 and iChat

Originally posted by Macrumors
Previous rumors had suggested possible ICQ integration in the future.
AOL will be enabling ICQ support into AIM so it makes sense that iChat, which uses the AIM network, will also gain access to ICQ.


macrumors regular
Jul 24, 2002
Portland, OR
AOL and ICQ servers are the same

AOL and ICQ both run the same AOL server software. You can even IM back and forth (kinda) in current clients. It's a simple flip of the switch (well not really SIMPLE) that would allow these two client types to communicate with each other. It looks like AOL is finally getting around to linking this as the politics around unified messaging have died down a bit. It shouldn't be too hard to Apple to accomodate ICQ users since they're already compatible with the new (2000+) AIM protocol which is the same (except for one field) as the new (2000+) ICQ protocol.


macrumors newbie
Nov 15, 2002
iChat revisions

Apple needs to enable the ability to join AIM/AOL Chat rooms BY Interest (Local, Politics, Computers, Movies, Singles, etc.).

Right now you can't use it to chat to people based on interest, only if you alreadsy know them and have them as Buddies or know their AIM/.mac name. This is a big feature!

That and stability are the main things that NEED to be addressed.

A feature that would be nice is autochat window resizing/tiling...
you have a chat window open taking up half your screen. You either initiate or are asked to chat with 3 other people. The chat windows would resize themselves and lay out side by side automatically.

Another useability enhancement might allow chat balloons to be seen from the Dock if the chat windows are minimized...just Buddy icons talking to you like Desktop cartoon characters!

What do you guys think?


macrumors 68020
Aug 9, 2000
iChat and MSN/Yahoo

By now, most of us are aware that there are programs out there (my personal favorite, Fire, Proteus, and other smaller ones) that run several chat protocols simultaneously and seamlessly. I used Fire for AIM, ICQ, MSN, and Yahoo at the same time, i never had any troubles. I understand there may be some legality issues behind it, but why doesn't Apple just incorporate the same types of software into iChat. I'm not saying Apple buy the software (that would piss a lot of people off), or just copy it (ahem, Watson?), but the technology to incorporate the services in a single app must be common knowledge (or why would more than one app have the ability). I sent a similar message to Apple using their Feedback system, hoping, PRAYING that they incorporate a generic MSN protocol. I used Fire for a year, but I love iChat, so I use that and struggle with a crappy MS made MSN client. This idea just makes sense, I think they should do it.

BTW- I would really like to see the ability to filetransfer in MSN too...


macrumors newbie
Aug 8, 2002
a much bigger problem exists with Jaguar!!!

I think is important for everyone to know about a much bigger problem than IChat updates. In the Professional video community Jaguar and Final Cut Pro 3.02 is a nonrunning Joke, I think Apple needs to address this problem much sooner than Ichat or minor improvements, There are tons of people buying new 1.25 Dual Systems with full editing packages, I included, that cant even start working on their video projects without the Final Cut Program crashing every time you make a change....The video market is where apple is trying to gain some ground and they are apparently doing nothing to help with the flawed software.. I have provided a link for those interested to check out the lack of support Apple is providing for their Final Cut Pro community....Check it out!!!!


macrumors member
Nov 12, 2002
iChat has the most annoying interface in the world.. guys, use Proteus


i suggest looking at the latest alpha.. it's pretty astonishing...

(Proteus supports ICQ, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber, and other services)

It is also very fast on my 733 G4. Give it a peek.


macrumors regular
Jul 16, 2002
Re: iChat revisions

Originally posted by ChillieMacX
Another useability enhancement might allow chat balloons to be seen from the Dock if the chat windows are minimized...just Buddy icons talking to you like Desktop cartoon characters!

What do you guys think?
yea.. now there's a cool idea :)


macrumors 68000
Jul 27, 2002
As more information becomes available, it appears that the primary purpose of 10.2.3 is to support new, currently unknown Apple technology.
"Updates firmware to disable OS 9 booting"


macrumors newbie
Apr 7, 2002
why bother

I don't know why anybody puts up with ichat in it's current state, and even from were it looks to be going. It seems just because it comes from apple and it has an i in front of it, it's gotta be good, and better then anything out there. There are so many things that are just wrong with ichat, like no buddly lists. Why get rid of such an essential feature to enable people to organize their buddy list. With ichat it's all just one big mess. I can't have a group of people that, say I talk to the most often, no, now I have to scroll all up and down the list. I don't know about you, but for me it doesn't show people's away messages correctly all the time. Say if they're idle and away, it'll will just say idle, no message. Another annoying "feature" is being forced to use people's actually names instead of their aim name if you have them in your address book. Sure some people may like this, and it would be great, if they let you choose this as an option instead of forcing it down your throat. I think ichat does have one good feature, rendezvous. I don't use it, but seems like it would be a usefull feature in an busniess setting, or maybe even at a lan party. For me, I think the best aim client out there is adium www.adiumx.com it's got a superb UI, something that ichat should take note of. While it may be laking features like file transfer, or buddy icons, thats more of aol not having an open standard then not implenting it.


macrumors 6502
Aug 12, 2002
Originally posted by e-coli

"Updates firmware to disable OS 9 booting"
That's never going to happen. Everyone, all together now...

OS 9 is never going to disabled. What is expected to happen is Apple will no longer support OS 9 in models that come out after the end of 2002.

This means no ROM support, no system enablers, no development whatsoever to allow OS 9 to boot a new model Mac from Apple. I wouldn't expect 3rd party support either, but it could happen (at least it would be technically possible).

And now back to the thread...
I use Proteus and wish Apple would buy it and make it the new iChat. What's the point of having a chat client, when you have to use another one for a different service if the second client speaks both?


macrumors 6502
Jul 17, 2002
Central Texas
Don't hold your breath for Apple to create a free application that does all things for all people. All their iApps do only ONE thing, and it does it well. iChat will only be good enough to send a message with a person on AOL or another iChatter. It does not have to have all the features that the other clients have, it only needs to offer the ability to communicate text between people. It will never be good enough for everyone but only an introduction to the power of the Macintosh.
If Apple wanted to impress more people, but also raise their support costs, they could include a better 3rd party application that would be much better than iChat. But that would raise support costs and I think that is the reason why all these iApps are so simple and unflexible, because it would bring with it more problems.
I just wish they gave us hardware upgrades as much as they give us software upgrades, thats all we really need. The Mac OS used to be crashy and that was the main reason we needed updates before, but we put up with it. Now that the OS doesnt crash, all we need is faster hardware.


macrumors 6502
Apr 13, 2001

iChat... it came with OSX.2 Jaguar... so you paid for it, but it's kinda free.

I use Proteus 2.2 a11 and it rocks!! you can theme it, change soundsets, have it speak, does MSN, Jabber, ICQ, etc. It's shareware but it's free.

Bottom line: if you don't like iChat, don't use it. Use something else. That's what I am doing. If Apple releases an iChat update that's better than Proteus, I'll use it. But I'm not gonna bitch and moan about the state of iChat today. It would be nice if it worked better - and I'm sure sometime soon it will.

You are allowed to use non-Apple apps. Try some & find one you like.

I'm more concerned about what else besides a possible iChat 10.2.3 might bring to us.


macrumors 6502
Sep 19, 2002
Auburn, AL
Originally posted by gandalf55
I use Proteus 2.2 a11 and it rocks!! you can theme it, change soundsets, have it speak, does MSN, Jabber, ICQ, etc. It's shareware but it's free.
Don't support that program. Its author knows it's illegally made and does nothing about it. He profits off of others' works without giving credit and as a result obviously does not know how to read licenses. You never know what he might misread next--perhaps your credit card while paying for it--and what effect it will have on you or others--perhaps being overcharged by $100.

Plus, Proteus doesn't even have AIM file transfer, what a joke.


Moderator emeritus
Jun 25, 2002
Gone but not forgotten.
Originally posted by e-coli

"Updates firmware to disable OS 9 booting"
Well said, but only for newer machines. They won't bother with updating the firmware on older models. It's not worth the effort to possibly introduce new incosistencies and create more work for themselves.


macrumors member
Feb 3, 2002
has adium been able to show away messages yet? that's the only thing holding me back from it. My friends and i use AIM as more or less a constantly updated anwsering machine with recent info on our whereabouts.....i need to view away messages and i'd rather use adium than iChat/official AIM