13inch iBooks along with Powerbooks

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Kodawarisan reports that iBook stock is low at resellers. But they also report that alongside upcoming Powerbooks, iBooks with 13" screens at 800mhz G3's will also arrive

Apple had previously hinted that the iBook would likely remain with the G3 processor through the next upgrade. Sporadic rumors (YourDailyMac.com) hint at 1GHz Powerbooks alongside the 800mhz iBooks... but these rumors are of uncertain reliability.
 

Hemingray

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Ha ha haaa!
But they also report that new iBooks will be released alongside upcoming Powerbooks with 13" screens at 800mhz G3's.
You might wish to rephrase that, it sounds like the PowerBook will have a 13" screen and an 800MHz G3... :D How's THAT for an upgrade! Booyah!

So, I take it this means no more separate 12" and 14" iBooks, just the single 13"? Good enough. I still wanna see a G4 in that thing come this time next year!
 

groovebuster

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I hope that they will still have iBooks with 12" screens in the future. What I always liked about the iBooks was the small size and I consider to buy one in the next few months as a sub-notebook, since my Wallstreet's screen has problems since a while and I don't feel like shelling out 1,000 bucks just for a replacement of the LCD...

I want a small iBook, I couldn't care less about a 13" screen...

groovebuster
 

oldMac

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13" iBook size = same?

I think there's room in the current iBook footprint for a 13" screen. We're talking diagonal, and there's a good bit of unused space around the 12" screen of the current iBook.
 

biscuit

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Re: 13" iBook size = same?

Originally posted by oldMac
I think there's room in the current iBook footprint for a 13" screen. We're talking diagonal, and there's a good bit of unused space around the 12" screen of the current iBook.
This is what I'd like to see. I've always thought there was room for a 13" screen in the 12.1" enclosure. Also, to be honest, the 14" iBook looks silly. Its just too big...

biscuit
 

hvfsl

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Looking at the new technology that has come out from IBM, ATI, etc it is posible to make a guess what should be in the new iBooks/Powerbooks.

Powerbook: Will remain the same look but have new hardware.
-ATI 9000M 64MB DDR Graphics
-PC266 DDR RAM
-1MB L3
-133Mhz bus
-At least 40GB HD
-933Mhz and 1000Mhz versions.

ibook: Looking at the recent revisoins to the iMac it would seem that Apple will have a 13in model.
-ATI 7500M 32MB DDR or Geforce 2GO 32MB DDR Graphics
-PC133 RAM
-100Mhz BUS
-AT least 30GB HD
-700Mhz and 800Mhz versions.
 

Telomar

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Just to clarify this the G3s have a 200 MHz bus. It isn't double pumped it is just a straight 200 MHz bus.
 

Falleron

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I'm sure they could fit a 13" screen into the current 12" ibook. It makes sense to me, Apple saves money by not producing 2 different models + we still get a small portable laptop that is a compromise between 12 + 14.

By the way, I think the ibook will get a higher screen resolution.
 

MikeH

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It may be coming out with a new screen, but what will it's native resolution be?

The current 1024 x 768 is too low for OS X in my opinion, in fact it's what puts me off the iBook. It really needs to be around 1280 x 1024 not to feel cramped with most current software.
 

Hmm

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I'd be surprised if they increased the resolution, especially if the new screen will be smaller than the 14". I think most people who bought the 14" did so because they felt that the 12" was too small to read at 1024x768. Since the LCD has only one native resolution where everything looks best, I'm betting that Apple will stick with 1024x768 for the iBooks. The higher resoultions would remain a "power user" feature for which they have Powerbooks.
 

robguz

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I wish they'd do a 13" widescreen and at least give us 1152x768 which is what the PowerBooks used to have. But I'm sure it will be 1024x768, which raises the question, why bother? Unless it's the exact same size and weight, it doesn't offer much. I think the iBooks appeal is how tiny it is and how sharp that 12" screen is.

I think 933 is optimistic for the low end Ti, and too close to 1Ghz on the high end. I'd guess 800 and 1Ghz, but no DDR, no internal SuperDrive and hopefully a price cut down to the old 2999, 2299 levels. I for one would never again buy a Ti because they are too fragile. I had an accident with mine which cracked the screen and I know it would have been fine if there was some plastic casing to protect the monitor.
 

sjonni

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They should skip 800 and go strait for 1000MHZ G3 if it is not going to have G4. Oh, and yes, 32MB VRAM, at least.;) ;) :D
 

hvfsl

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Apple will never make the consumer models look faster than the pro models. So the best we can look for is 800Mhz for the iBook, unless the TiBook will be faster than 1Ghz. There are 1.2Ghz G3 chips avaliable at the moment.

Also the TiBook will be 933Mhz and 1000Mhz if the top iBook is 800Mhz, a 800Mhz TiBook will not sell well against a 800 iBook, it is just simple business sense.
 

john123

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Originally posted by hvfsl
Apple will never make the consumer models look faster than the pro models. So the best we can look for is 800Mhz for the iBook, unless the TiBook will be faster than 1Ghz. There are 1.2Ghz G3 chips avaliable at the moment.

Also the TiBook will be 933Mhz and 1000Mhz if the top iBook is 800Mhz, a 800Mhz TiBook will not sell well against a 800 iBook, it is just simple business sense.
Um..."simple business sense" or not, the current low-end PowerBook is 667Mhz while the iBook for almost $1000 less runs at 700Mhz...so your logic doesn't quite hold up.
 

medea

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Well if they can keep the same footprint of the 12" with a 13" instead, that would be perfect. Lets hope this is true, I do think that they should not discontinue the 12" unless the size will be the same.
 

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Originally posted by Telomar
Just to clarify this the G3s have a 200 MHz bus. It isn't double pumped it is just a straight 200 MHz bus.
No.

100Mhz Bus

It's a 100 MHz bus as you can see from here. The G4's 167MHz bus is one of the fastest (single rate) when compared to other similar priced purchase options (Intel, AMD, IBM, consumer).
Keeping the G3 at a 100Mhz bus is making the G3 to a G4 look like a Celeron to a Pentium, or Duron to an Athlon.

As far as this discussion goes, I'm sitting infront of an iBook 2001 12" but not typing on it. It's playing music instead. I don't like typing and viewing webpages on the iBook when I have a 19" Monitor at 1280x960 resolution hooked to a really old PC box. The iBook CAN fit a 13.1" screen in it's current case. I wish apple would increase the resolution when they do this. 1152x864 Native on a 13.1" would be so sharp. OS X is way to cramped at 1024x768.
It's the only regret I have about this iBook. 8mb Vid card and low resolution.
 

mr evil brkfast

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Been waiting patiently for a new ibook. Would jump at a chance to pick up a 13" in the 12" sized case.

800 mhz? If the PB is 1 GHZ they could at least pump out a 900 mhz ibook. It would be best for the switcher campaign to release the following:

powerbook:
1Ghz and 867 with a 167 mhz bus in the top model and 64MB VR

ibook:
900 mhz (or 1 GHz) and 700 Mhz (for $1099 us) with 32 mb VR; 133 mhz bus
 

akula47

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I hope your correct. Another question though. If they do release a revision on November 5th, will it be ready to ship? Shipment in January is going to suck hard. Why even bother with the update, unless you have the machine ready.


Originally posted by hvfsl
Looking at the new technology that has come out from IBM, ATI, etc it is posible to make a guess what should be in the new iBooks/Powerbooks.

Powerbook: Will remain the same look but have new hardware.
-ATI 9000M 64MB DDR Graphics
-PC266 DDR RAM
-1MB L3
-133Mhz bus
-At least 40GB HD
-933Mhz and 1000Mhz versions.

ibook: Looking at the recent revisoins to the iMac it would seem that Apple will have a 13in model.
-ATI 7500M 32MB DDR or Geforce 2GO 32MB DDR Graphics
-PC133 RAM
-100Mhz BUS
-AT least 30GB HD
-700Mhz and 800Mhz versions.
 

mortigitempo

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Bus Speed

The sahara processor i the current iBooks can support a (genuine) 200mhz bus but it is not currently implemented, the bus speed has been restricted to 100mhz
 

nero007

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IMO, the best chip in any Apple computer right now is in the iBook. And if it weren't for the lagging speeds of the tiBook, the iBook would've hit 1ghz a long time ago.
 

nero007

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Re: Bus Speed

Originally posted by mortigitempo
The sahara processor i the current iBooks can support a (genuine) 200mhz bus but it is not currently implemented, the bus speed has been restricted to 100mhz
It seems Apple has severly crippled this chip so that it is not faster then what is put into the tiBook.