157 Democrats vote against tougher penalties for illegal immigrants

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House passes Kate’s Law, as part of illegal immigrant crackdown

House Republicans took action Thursday to crack down on illegal immigrants and the cities that shelter them.

One bill passed by the House would deny federal grants to sanctuary cities and another, Kate’s Law, would increase the penalties for deported aliens who try to return to the United States.

Kate's Law, which would increase the penalties for deported aliens who try to return to the United States and caught, passed with a vote of 257 to 157, with one Republican voting no and 24 Democrats voting yes.

Kate's Law is named for Kate Steinle, a San Francisco woman killed by an illegal immigrant who was in the U.S. despite multiple deportations. The two-year anniversary of her death is on Saturday.

President Trump called the bill's passage "good news" in a tweet, adding "House just passed #KatesLaw. Hopefully Senate will follow."
What is their endgame? Why have Democrats placed the priorities of illegal immigrants above U.S. citizens?
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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I hope you conservatives don't mind higher taxes, cause a mandatory five-year minimum sentence on aliens who illegally reenter the country, is going to be pretty expensive.
 

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Or...

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/340137-house-passes-kates-law-and-crackdown-on-sanctuary-cities

Despite the House passage of the two bills on Thursday, Democrats are likely to present a roadblock in the Senate.

Republicans would need at least eight Democrats to break a filibuster on either of the measures. Senate Democrats successfully blocked similar bills in 2015 and 2016.

Law enforcement groups have expressed opposition to the proposal blocking federal grants to localities with sanctuary policies.

The National Fraternal Order of Police this week wrote to House leaders warning that “withholding needed assistance to law enforcement agencies — which have no policymaking role — also hurts public safety efforts.”

“It is unjust to penalize law enforcement and the citizens they serve because Congress disagrees with their enforcement priorities with respect to our nation’s immigration laws.”
Democrats further accused proponents of the bill of stoking anti-immigrant attitudes.

“These bills are nothing new and they are not really about immigration or fighting crime,” Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.), a member of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, said during House floor debate. “They are about racial profiling and putting Latinos, quote unquote, in our place.”

The House votes come at a time when Republicans have failed to make headway on Trump’s push to authorize funds for a new wall on the U.S.-Mexico border.
 
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I'm not concerned about people already here just trying to make an honest living, that Mexico failed to provide to them, I'm concerned about the gang members and the criminals bringing in the narcotics. Just get rid of those bad people. Mexicans are human beings, however if they're here illegally they must face some form of penalty. That doesn't mean I'm not compassionate though. If they're good people, trying to make an honest living I would try to work out some deal, where a path to citizenship can be achieved. The reason I say this is because if things where reversed I would definitely try to get my family to America for a better life.
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Are you talking about the 3 million illegal voters your Dear Leader is hunting down?

I think Democrats are exploiting the Mexican people for votes. I don't blame them for trying to put food on the table and to look after their family.
 

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It's a bad bill that only serves to enlarge the prison industrial system and bleed the US taxpayer dry. Hopefully it will die in the Senate.

https://www.cato.org/blog/kates-law-waste-federal-resources

The House of Representatives will vote on a bill this week titled “Kate’s Law” (H.R. 3004). While it is nominally an “immigration” bill, its principal aim relates to criminal justice—namely, an increase in the maximum sentences for immigrants who reenter the country illegally after a deportation. The bill is a waste of federal resources. It would likely balloon America’s population of nonviolent prisoners, while not protecting Americans against serious criminals.
more at the source.
 

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darksithpro

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ONLY increases the prison system if they are REPEAT offenders. just throwing them back across the border is not a deterrent.

Exactly, this only applies to illegals deported that keep sneaking back in. I'd rather they be behind bars than committing crimes in our country.
 
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ONLY increases the prison system if they are REPEAT offenders. just throwing them back across the border is not a deterrent.
Most undocumented immigrants already serve about 1-2 years just waiting to be deported. What makes you think extra years is a deterrent? Especially since you have some undocumented immigrants in our prison system that make more money than the average middle class worker doing criminal actives behind bars, and sending the money to their families back home. They also get meals, shelter, medical, and etc, on our tax dollars. Like seriously? The REAL criminals are shrugging their shoulders at this.

It's going to increase crime, and the measures used so they won't get caught will be more drastic. Expect much higher identity fraud, violence towards police, and even anti American radicalization.

This Bill/Law is a failure at the start.
 

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That's a good question. I don't believe I've actually heard a great solution from any party as of yet.

Did you read that out of the 66,000 deported, 48,000 of them have criminal records? That's 72% of illegals arrested and deported are committing crimes against our citizens in just one year. That's absurd and something has to be done to stop it.
 
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Did you read that out of the 66,000 deported, 48,000 of them have criminal records? That's 72% of illegals arrested and deported are committing crimes against our citizens in just one year. That's absurd and something has to be done to stop it.
That sounds like a shady statistic.

What kind of crimes are they committing? Cause traffic crimes are BS to add in. Are the crimes they are committing, bring them attention to get deported in the first place?

The number of illegals are anywhere from 15 to 30 million. Let's say it's actually 20 million. Are you saying the 72% should be reflective of the entire undocumented population in America? Cause that would mean 14.4 million illegals have criminal records, and I highly doubt that's even close to reality.
 

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Most undocumented immigrants already serve about 1-2 years just waiting to be deported. What makes you think extra years is a deterrent? Especially since you have some undocumented immigrants in our prison system that make more money than the average middle class worker doing criminal actives behind bars, and sending the money to their families back home. They also get meals, shelter, medical, and etc, on our tax dollars. Like seriously? The REAL criminals are shrugging their shoulders at this.

It's going to increase crime, and the measures used so they won't get caught will be more drastic. Expect much higher identity fraud, violence towards police, and even anti American radicalization.

This Bill/Law is a failure at the start.
Source. As it seems those 1-2 years are not working
 

darksithpro

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The number of illegals are anywhere from 15 to 30 million. Let's say it's actually 20 million. Are you saying the 72% should be reflective of the entire undocumented population in America? Cause that would mean 14.4 million illegals have criminal records, and I highly doubt that's even close to reality.

I'm not saying that. The deportations where probably the result of some unrelated crime, where they got deported afterwards. Even so that means there are at least tens of thousands of people that shouldn't even be in the US that are doing something illegal to get arrested and deported.
 

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Exactly, this only applies to illegals deported that keep sneaking back in. I'd rather they be behind bars than committing crimes in our country.
The vast majority of them do not want to come here to commit crimes. They want to work at good, honest jobs. Unfortunately, the politicians have made it virtually impossible for lesser skilled workers to come into the country to work at jobs that Americans quite literally won't do or that pay modest wages. Until the immigration system is fixed in such a way to allow these people to come here and work, (as it used to be) they'll cross without permission. That will be their only crime, and it's petty. This bill serves no-one but the closed border crowd and the prison industrial complex, (who were likely major lobbyists for it). It certainly would not have saved the poor girl who was murdered, as the article I posted points out.
 

RootBeerMan

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That's a good question. I don't believe I've actually heard a great solution from any party as of yet.
The Libertarian Party and the libertarian think tanks have been talking about this for years and have come up with many workable solutions. The Republicans and Democrats don't want to hear them, because they won't make any money off of them, as they will with Kate's Law.