On the 17inch imac they advertise 10.2 on there. It says on the software label ichat and all those other little things. but before i got excited i kept reading. it said that 10.2 may not be included in the box as advestised and that it will be out in late august. didnt think it will be included. So after 24th they will probably just throw a flat pack upgrade cd in there.thats what they did with 10.1.