2 Police Officers Shot Dead In California

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  1. xShane macrumors 6502a

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    - Yahoo
     
  2. tech4all macrumors 68040

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    Yea heard about this last night. Not often you hear about these type of things in Santa Cruz. Went there many times as a kid.
     
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    So, we obviously need a system to keep guns out of the wrong people's hands. Why won't the NRA allow it?
     
  4. xShane thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    A lot of people believe that if everyone has a gun, gun violence will somehow magically disappear.
     
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    He was convicted for carrying a concealed weapon before and was on probation, what makes you think a ban would have stopped him? He obviously disobeyed the law to have a weapon on his person.
     
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    The premise goes that if ALL guns were banned, eventually he would not have had the opportunity to acquire that gun in the first place because there simply wouldn't be any around. Dunno if it would actually work out that way, but that's the premise as far as I can tell.
     
  7. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    My premise would be if guns weren't so prevalent, then it would be less likely that he would have a gun.

    We can't get to zero.

    The Constitution won't allow it and current conditions make it an impossibility.

    All we can hope to do is reduce the carnage.

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    I'm curious whether you saw in another gun thread that we'd found gang-related firearm homicides only comprised ~16% of all firearm homicides.

    I only point that out because if I recall correctly, you've expressed opinions about that in the past.

    16%.

    Here's the post in case your interested: http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=16925387&postcount=282
     
  8. xShane thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Exactly. RPGs are legal. They're extremely hard to obtain, not too many openly available, and you have to go through heaps of legal stuff and there are many restrictions imposed on them. But still legal. And yet, we don't see too many RPG-related crimes.

    Of course it's our Second Amendment right to bear arms. However, the question is, is which arms do we have the right to bear? There's no use for a citizen to have extended magazines meant for minimum reloading time or assault rifles designed for maximum carnage.
     
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    And a lot of people believe that banning the scary black rifles, gun violence will somehow magically disappear. :|
     
  10. xShane thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I never said anything about banning. There should be much tighter restrictions than there are now. It's ridiculously easy to go out and purchase/obtain one legally.
     
  11. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    It's always easy to be distracted by the fringe—I fall for it myself occasionally.

    But if we focus instead on the rational middle ground, we might actually get some positive things done.
     
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    I agree. We should close gun show loopholes, and do a few other things. So long as we're not restricting ar-15s and 30 round clips.
     
  13. xShane thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Sorry, but I can't tell if that last sentence was serious or sarcasm (trolling).
     
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    Obviously serious. Restricting fringe weapons isn't a middle ground call
     
  15. xShane thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    What exactly is so bad about restricting semi-automatic rifles to keep them out of the hands of criminals? A law abiding citizen would still be able to obtain one if they really wanted to.
     
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    how are you going to restrict them then
     
  17. xShane thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Why do you NOT want them to be restricted is the better question?
     
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    No need
     
  19. xShane thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Overpowered. Deadly. It was intended for military use, although lately it seems to be used for butchering civilians.
     
  20. anonymouslurker macrumors regular

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    The event in your original post was committed with a handgun.
     
  21. xShane thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    And?
     
  22. anonymouslurker macrumors regular

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    And, at every opportunity, those who feel we need more restrictions will throw in their two cents, whether they're related to the topic at hand or not.

    It was your original post, you'd think you would want to keep the discussion related to that post.
     
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    :confused: There are a lot more powerful calibers than the 5.56 and .223 cartridge.

    :confused: And other weapons aren't?

    True but due to low sales when it was introduced, it was converted for civilian use.
     
  24. xShane thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Actually, someone mentioned something about AR-15s so I pitched in.

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    Ideally all firearms should be well regulated.
     
  25. anonymouslurker macrumors regular

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    They are.

    But we need to do better with the existing laws.
     

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