2018 Midterm Elections Results Discussion

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October is the cruelest month of any election year, but by then, the pain is so great that even the strong are like jelly and time has lost all meaning for anybody still involved in a political campaign. By that time, even candidates running unopposed have abandoned all hope of victory and live only for the day when they will finally be free to seek vengeance on all those treacherous bastards who once passed themselves off as loyal friends and allies and swore they were only in it because they all shared the same hopes and dreams.
– Hunter S. Thompson

In MacRumors election night tradition, the general thread to discuss midterm election results as they come in tonight and what you think they mean for you and the country.

Despite it being late in the UK, for me it's streamed radio and twitter for results, commentary and analysis. TV isn’t great for election watching, unless to savour the dashed hopes and dreams of supporters, media flunkeys and the grudging concession speeches of crushed opponents.

My expectations: TX and GA Senate are out of reach for the Democratic party, Florida looks potentially promising. The Republican party will lose the House of Representatives.

What’s your best guess or hopes and fears for results and your preferred way of following tonight’s outcomes?
 
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RichardMZhlubb

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If, after two years of the Trump catastrophe, people allow the Republicans to continue to control all branches of government, then all hope is lost for the future of this country. I’m confident that people will come to their senses, but I fear for the worst.

My prediction is that the Democrats pick up between 35 and 45 seats in the House and one seat in the Senate (moving it to a 50/50 split).
 

Tomorrow

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If, after two years of the Trump catastrophe, people allow the Republicans to continue to control all branches of government, then all hope is lost for the future of this country.
Such doom and gloom. Much hyperbole. Wow.



The reality is that no matter who wins, life will go on pretty much the same as it's done for decades. Very little will change, at least not suddenly.
 

AlliFlowers

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I will not stay up tonight. I will not watch any news. I will not look at PRSI. I will not look at Twitter.

I'll find out in the morning how it all came out, and waiting isn't going to change my life. And this way, I'll go to sleep full of hope and sleep peacefully. I can handle being let down in the morning - I'll just take it out on my students. ;)
 

samcraig

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Such doom and gloom. Much hyperbole. Wow.



The reality is that no matter who wins, life will go on pretty much the same as it's done for decades. Very little will change, at least not suddenly.
Depends on who you are in this country as to what today's vote means in regard to outcomes tomorrow and for the next 2 years.
 

Huntn

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Such doom and gloom. Much hyperbole. Wow.



The reality is that no matter who wins, life will go on pretty much the same as it's done for decades. Very little will change, at least not suddenly.
These last two years are totally unlike anything before it in our lifetime. At least during the Cold War we did not have a moron in charge.

All the signs are there. What does it take to get your attention, does something really bad have to happen first? Would WWIII do it? ;) I don’t want to hear about the stock market. They’ll be happy as long as there is money to be made. Just wait for the first sign of financial trouble, then look out.
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The only race I'm really interested in O'Rourke v Cruz because I think O'Rourke is (D) 2020 nominee
I have my fingers crossed for Beto! He is such a fresh breath of air compared to Cruz.
 
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RichardMZhlubb

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The reality is that no matter who wins, life will go on pretty much the same as it's done for decades. Very little will change, at least not suddenly.
If you're a member of a privileged class (white, male, heterosexual, etc.), then that is somewhat true. But if you're not, or if you actually have some degree of empathy for those who are not, then it is certainly not true.
 

Huntn

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I will not stay up tonight. I will not watch any news. I will not look at PRSI. I will not look at Twitter.

I'll find out in the morning how it all came out, and waiting isn't going to change my life. And this way, I'll go to sleep full of hope and sleep peacefully. I can handle being let down in the morning - I'll just take it out on my students. ;)
I...my wife just turned the tv on. :D
Was just going to say we are leaving the tv off till 8pm.
 

roland.g

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These last two years are totally unlike anything before it in our lifetime. At least during the Cold War we did not have a moron in charge.

All the signs are there. What does it take to get your attention, does something really bad have to happen first? Would WWIII do it? ;) I don’t want to hear about the stock market. They’ll be happy as long as there is money to be made. Just wait for the first sign of financial trouble, then look out.
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I have my fingers crossed for Beto! He is such a fresh breath of air compared to Cruz.
You support a guy who believes that black men and black youth are being killed at an alarming rate by cops. 98% of all black male homicides are committed by other black males. And when people decide it is time to address the cultural values and issues behind that fact, then maybe we can finally decide that black lives matter. Until African Americans decide to care about themselves as a group, then all the puffery won’t matter. Beto doesn’t get that. He’s just a puppet for misdirection. This is a crash and burn candidate.
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If, after two years of the Trump catastrophe, people allow the Republicans to continue to control all branches of government, then all hope is lost for the future of this country. I’m confident that people will come to their senses, but I fear for the worst.

My prediction is that the Democrats pick up between 35 and 45 seats in the House and one seat in the Senate (moving it to a 50/50 split).
The future of the country is already lost. The genuises of the State of New York will likely have seen fit to send Ocasio-Cortez to Congress. That woman is one uninformed talking point after another after another. “Just pay for it” was her response to how to get Medicare-for-all to work. She has no idea on how anything actually works or the real fiscal responsibilities of government. She’s a ‘sounds like a good idea’ socialist without any clue on the ramifications of decision making. Like she’s channeling her inner Pelosi.
 

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If you're a member of a privileged class (white, male, heterosexual, etc.), then that is somewhat true. But if you're not, or if you actually have some degree of empathy for those who are not, then it is certainly not true.
Whats that mean? That us white males are going to "get ours"? Right. OK then. Whatever ya gotta do.

Privileged? How so? Sorry we are productive and get things done.
 

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Depends on who you are in this country as to what today's vote means in regard to outcomes tomorrow and for the next 2 years.
These last two years are totally unlike anything before it in our lifetime. At least during the Cold War we did not have a moron in charge.
Okay, let's test that theory.

Pick a person, ANY person, of ANY background, ethnicity, economic status, etc. living legally in the US. Now tell me ONE significant thing about that person's life that's going to change in the next two months as a result of any outcome in today's elections.

Because it's not going to happen.
 

roland.g

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Okay, let's test that theory.

Pick a person, ANY person, of ANY background, ethnicity, economic status, etc. living legally in the US. Now tell me ONE significant thing about that person's life that's going to change in the next two months as a result of any outcome in today's elections.

Because it's not going to happen.
They can’t. The bleakest picture even if it is false is the only way that some people can relate. No grey. All black and white. Not reality but hey. Almost all liberal arguments are ‘heart’ arguments. Conservatives gravitate more to common sense and rational thought. That’s why you shouldn’t argue with a liberal. They turn it into an emotiona fight most of the time. Now of course some will misconstrue ‘heart’ to mean that conservatives don’t have any. Not true. They just don’t legislate by it. In fact an interesting article by a self proclaimed liberal called Bleeding Heart Tightwads actually shows that conservatives are by and large more generous when giving time and money to charity. Liberals believe in charity and entitlements, as long as it is other people’s or collective money.
 

RichardMZhlubb

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Okay, let's test that theory.

Pick a person, ANY person, of ANY background, ethnicity, economic status, etc. living legally in the US. Now tell me ONE significant thing about that person's life that's going to change in the next two months as a result of any outcome in today's elections.

Because it's not going to happen.
If Republicans win today, the ACA is almost certainly repealed next year. If Democrats win, ACA repeal is off the table for at least two years. If you're someone with a pre-existing condition who relies on the ACA exchanges to buy health insurance, your life could depend on that result.
 

roland.g

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If Republicans win today, the ACA is almost certainly repealed next year. If Democrats win, ACA repeal is off the table for at least two years. If you're someone with a pre-existing condition who relies on the ACA exchanges to buy health insurance, your life could depend on that result.
Republicans have controlled House and Senate for 2 years and it is still here. But thanks for the hyperbole.
 

RichardMZhlubb

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Republicans have controlled House and Senate for 2 years and it is still here. But thanks for the hyperbole.
It's not hyperbole. It hasn't happened yet because they can only do a limited number of bills in the Senate via reconciliation (needing only 51 votes) and McCain blocked the effort in 2017. With Kyle in McCain's seat, a pick up of one Senate seat by Republicans pretty much locks up 51 votes for repeal.
 
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Peterkro

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I'll be glad when it's over.I've no idea whether the Democrats will gain much or not, frankly I'm not much interested in U.S. parish pump politics I'm more interested in the worldwide rise of the far right (Brazil, Hungary, Italy,Poland, Philippines,Russia and so on and so on, the U.S. is a small part of that but the "mid-term elections" circus just distracts us from what's going on worldwide).The U.S. has two right wing main parties and nothing will change if Democrats or Republicans are in charge,I think we can write off the U.S. as a failed state and ignore it while the rest of us try and prevent a major extinction event.
It's true that Trump is a particularly vile human being and it would be great to see him gone in whatever way, but don't forget there are dozens more who are just as bad.
 
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roland.g

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It's not hyperbole. It hasn't happened yet because they can only do a limited number of bills in the Senate via reconciliation (needing only 51 votes) and McCain blocked the effort in 2017. With Kyle in McCain's seat, a pick up of one Senate seat by Republicans pretty much locks up 51 votes for repeal.
And yet still hyperbole.
 

Raid

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Whats that mean? That us white males are going to "get ours"? Right. OK then. Whatever ya gotta do.
It's not about while male victim-hood or being "under threat" it means recognizing that in a large scope of our lifetimes that in a hierarchy of consideration of needs, wants, and pandering to the white male has been placed second in line behind the rich.

Privileged? How so?
Well for one, I bet no white woman has called the cops on you for walking into your own home.

Sorry we are productive and get things done.
Really? do you have any productivity measures you can provide along the lines of race (excluding other factors)? Or is it just a generalization you apply to people who share the same visible traits as yourself?
 
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samcraig

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They can’t. The bleakest picture even if it is false is the only way that some people can relate. No grey. All black and white. Not reality but hey. Almost all liberal arguments are ‘heart’ arguments. Conservatives gravitate more to common sense and rational thought. That’s why you shouldn’t argue with a liberal. They turn it into an emotiona fight most of the time. Now of course some will misconstrue ‘heart’ to mean that conservatives don’t have any. Not true. They just don’t legislate by it. In fact an interesting article by a self proclaimed liberal called Bleeding Heart Tightwads actually shows that conservatives are by and large more generous when giving time and money to charity. Liberals believe in charity and entitlements, as long as it is other people’s or collective money.
If there are conservatives who support Trump - then what I bolded is a farce.
 

roland.g

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If there are conservatives who support Trump - then what I bolded is a farce.
Actually you highlighted the point. Conservatives chose common sense. Business over emotion. But first and foremost, Trump over the Hillary Clinton quest for power, and what would assuredly have been a much much worse state of affairs. It wasn’t that Trump was a great candidate. It’s that Hillary Clinton was such a bad alternative. You have her candidacy to thank for his election. Really.
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McConnell has already said that ACA repeal will be one of his top legislative priorities next year if Republicans hold the House and increase their Senate majority (along with considering cuts to Social Security and Medicare).
Yet you make my point for me. You jump on a wild supposition from the threat of repeal and unknown legislation to DEATH. I know it’s right out of your playbook. But the playbook IS hyperbole.
 
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samcraig

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Actually you highlighted the point. Conservatives chose common sense. Business over emotion. But first and foremost, Trump over the Hillary Clinton quest for power, and what would assuredly have been a much much worse state of affairs. It wasn’t that Trump was a great candidate. It’s that Hillary Clinton was such a bad alternative. You have her candidacy to thank for his election. Really.
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Yet you make my point for me. You jump on a wild supposition from the threat of repeal and unknown legislation to DEATH. I know it’s right out of your playbook. But the playbook IS hyperbole.
My point went over your head. Carry on.
 
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Huntn

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You support a guy who believes that black men and black youth are being killed at an alarming rate by cops. 98% of all black male homicides are committed by other black males. And when people decide it is time to address the cultural values and issues behind that fact, then maybe we can finally decide that black lives matter. Until African Americans decide to care about themselves as a group, then all the puffery won’t matter. Beto doesn’t get that. He’s just a puppet for misdirection. This is a crash and burn candidate.
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The future of the country is already lost. The genuises of the State of New York will likely have seen fit to send Ocasio-Cortez to Congress. That woman is one uninformed talking point after another after another. “Just pay for it” was her response to how to get Medicare-for-all to work. She has no idea on how anything actually works or the real fiscal responsibilities of government. She’s a ‘sounds like a good idea’ socialist without any clue on the ramifications of decision making. Like she’s channeling her inner Pelosi.
He is a winner compared to Cruz any day, the Corporate bottom feeder who recently kissed Trump’s ring after most nasty spats. It’s all about hanging on to power isn’t it, whatever it takes, ends justify means, sell their souls, etc, etc.