2GHz IBM Processors

arn

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This month's MacUser UK has an article on IBM's upcoming 64-bit PowerPC chips.

As previously reported, IBM plans on discussing their new 64-bit PowerPC on October 15, 2002 at the Microprocessor Forum.

MacUser's article reports "IBM sources have claimed it is aiming for a speed of 2GHz for any new PowerPC". Unfortunately, the article also points out that the lag from announcement to production can be months to years. No online version of the article is available.
 

giovanni

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good news ... g4 forever !!!!

I can't stop thinking of SJ multiple mentions of the word innovation. I guess he was referring to everythng but microprocessors !
 

oldMac

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Innovation at Apple

Unfortunately, I'm afraid the only innovation available to Apple these days is in software and overall machine design.

The hardware details will be left to Motorola and IBM these days. It almost makes me wish we were running Intel hardware...
 

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Years or months could mean, 2 months or 4 years, I wonder... But I am going to pray tonight :D
 

JamesDP

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I think months is a more reasonable time frame. Normally when something sounds too good to be true, it usually is, but I think in this case that if it isn't already a done deal then it's fairly close to being so. I also think it's fair to say that if they're already planning to announce this chip at the Microprocessor Conference, then they're already making them in precent decent quantities and are either working out the bugs or have done that already. And I have a hunch that when we read articles that say IBM is talking to Apple about putting them in their computers that there already was a lot of talking going on previously and that it's probably a done deal. I know that IBM wants to put them in low-end servers, and I don't know personally how big that business is, but it seems kinda bass-ackwards to come out with a brand new processor and then try to line up customers after that. It seems more likely that IBM or Apple approached the other and bounced some ideas around and came up with this.

Of course, I could be wrong.
 

oldMac

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not quite :)

Nope, not quite. :)

I secretly hope that Apple made this deal with IBM to move to a super-killer POWER-based G5 that will take names.
 
Hey if they can make them fast and put em in a Apple so be it! Apple should embrace this processor if Moto can't deliver. If there is no G5 by next MWNY apple should look into IBMs powerPC proccesor. I really hope they are nearly rdy, it would be a smack in the face to PC users if Apple had 2ghz by christmas:)
 

Backtothemac

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I think it is going to be a smack in the face when they see Jaguar. That is reality. This is rumor. I personally think we will see an all IBM lineup by next summer. We will see!
 

bertinman

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innovation

I think some of you have forgotten that Apple does do alot of their own hardware design. It is true that the actual chips/bits/and pieces are not made by them, but they do put them together or at least experiement with them then send the designs to others to build. I'm new to the whole Apple world but I got the idea somehow that Apple makes their own motherboards. Those are very important indeed in my oppinion.

Apple does make contracts that should not be taken lightly. If Apple is as innovative as I'm hoping, the newest motherboards should be able to support (or be able to easily modified so that they support) newer chips, mainly IBM's more powerful chip (power?) or Motorola's more powerful chip (mpc85??).

This is my big wish*, IBM and Motorola start to work together somewhat again. The PowerPC chip is a strong and useful chip but will die if technologies are split and the two companies go their seperate ways. I hope this new IBM chip does have a vector processor similar to Alitevec so that maybe the two could be interchangable thus closing the wide vector processing gap between them.

I'm a big PowerPC fan, got it from my dad. He was all ready to throw mounds of cash at IBM for it's OS/2 Warp PPC version.

Anyway, hope you enjoyed my 3rd post... :)

-- Bert :cool:
 

big

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nice third post, you are definitly a person whom has something to contribute, and can express your thoughts well through written word.

I appreciate you actually using paragraphs and proper puncuation, as well as not waisting all our time on some babbleing phrase like "COME TO ME G5"

I think I might becoming a Bert fan
 

TyleRomeo

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Originally posted by Macmaniac
Hey if they can make them fast and put em in a Apple so be it! Apple should embrace this processor if Moto can't deliver. If there is no G5 by next MWNY apple should look into IBMs powerPC proccesor. I really hope they are nearly rdy, it would be a smack in the face to PC users if Apple had 2ghz by christmas:)
Keep on praying for that G5 at Macworld San Fran. It ain't happening. The same rumor crap circled last fall and we got iMacs at MWSF instead of these ellusive G5s. Have some patience and be happy with what apple offers right now. OSX.2 is amazing and it's onoy going to get better. How fast do you really have to go on your computer?
 

arn

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Originally posted by JamesDP
I also think it's fair to say that if they're already planning to announce this chip at the Microprocessor Conference, then they're already making them in precent decent quantities and are either working out the bugs or have done that already.
Actually, from my understanding, processors that are talked about at these sort of conferences are often still on the drawing table... not even close to production... hence the "lag time" discussed in the article.

Of note, a G3 processor 750fx? - was discussed last year, I believe, and took them 7 months or so to get towards production if I recall correctly.

arn
 

Shrek

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Re: 2GHz IBM Processors

Originally posted by arn
Unfortunately, the article also points out that the lag from announcement to production can be months to years.
Years? I'm still hoping that news of IBM reaching 2GHz by late this year will come true. I'll just keep praying. :)
 

JamesDP

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That makes sense, arn. I'm not really up on how the whole chip biz works - all I know is cables (since I work at a cable manufacturer).

I enjoy all of the conjecture about the new processors though - I've learned a lot crusing the boards here and at MacNN. Really looks like an interesting time for Apple, although personally I'm more concerned with when I'll finally be able to buy an iBook and get rid of my PC :D
 

bertinman

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What has been the previous tactic from IBM conserning releasing info about processors for Apple use? meaning: Motorola only releases info about the 'G4' processors when Apple unviels their new line of computers. Did IBM release the iBook 'G3' processors before or after Apple ungraded?

Just a thought. If indeed IBM does wait like Motorola does, could we expect them to break away from that now? Also, if they do/are going to wait, this chip couldn't possible be for Apple.

-- Bert :cool:

ps: props to BIG/akk, very much appreciated and I hope I live up to your comments! :)
 

Foocha

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MacUser UK article

Not sure this article sheds new light on anything.

These days MacUser UK seems to get all its news from Macrumors.com and Thinksecret.com!
 

gregorypierce

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Hey if they can make them fast and put em in a Apple so be it! Apple should embrace this processor if Moto can't deliver. If there is no G5 by next MWNY apple should look into IBMs powerPC proccesor. I really hope they are nearly rdy, it would be a smack in the face to PC users if Apple had 2ghz by christmas
Why would it be a smack in the face to PC users? By Christmas AMD and Intel would still be faster in both terms of CPU clock and raw overall performance.
 

macmunch

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no ...

Why would it be a smack in the face to PC users? By Christmas AMD and Intel would still be faster in both terms of CPU clock and raw overall performance.
Hm, thats not right I think

Look: 6,4 GPs troughput
and dont forget !!
8-way superscalar


Thats very good a 2 GHz version of this chip is theoraticly very very fast !! faster than a 3 GHz P4, when you see the facts.
 
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