31st time's a charm? House GOP votes again on Obamacare Repeal

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  1. yg17 macrumors G5

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    In case 30 times wasn't enough, the GOP is voting on Obamacare repeal for the 31st time.


    http://news.yahoo.com/house-gears-repeal-obamacare-again-100159451--abc-news-politics.html
     
  2. leekohler macrumors G5

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    They keep wasting time and not doing anything of value.
     
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    Insanity: repeating the same action and expecting different results.
     
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    yep. 31 vote should show how much time the GOP lead house waste doing this crap.
     
  6. yg17 thread starter macrumors G5

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    Because if repeal failed the past 30 times, and the White House and Senate have not changed hands, it's going to fail the 31st time. And the 32nd time. And the 33rd time. They could do this a hundred more times and it will still fail. It's a complete waste of time.
     
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    If the other 30 times didn't work, will this one fair any better?

    It's a political move, pure and simple. And polling regarding the overall law is a little deceptive, given that most aspects of the law poll favorably when pollsters actually explain what the law contains.

    Further...

    Link.
     
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    Let's go into GOP fantasy land for a minute, shall we?

    Let's assume that Obamacare is repealed. Now what? Even Boehner, McConnell, heck, all of them, agree we need to reform healthcare because it is draining our economy far faster than any other single expense. It's costs are exploding, and I betcha you can't name a single Republican who doesn't agree with that.

    So, in 1993, when we had this debate, the Democrats proposed a solution, and the GOP countered with Romneycare/Obamacare. Nothing was done, and the problem got worse. In the years between now and then, the GOP candidate for president enacted Romneycare, and guess what, it worked. It had broad bipartisan support.

    Uh oh. A black man was elected president, and the GOP suddenly decided that its own solution to the healthcare crisis was no longer good enough. Now, again, let's assume Mitt wins. What is he going to do, knowing the last time he was in this position, he enacted Romneycare?
     
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    He would not do one damn thing.
     
  11. dukebound85, Jul 10, 2012
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    Are you really saying/implying you don't think there is a massive pushback of Obamacare in this country by a significant amt?
     
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    You mean from the GOP yeah but there is not a majority pushing back and when people learn what is in the bill that number falls either farther. There are lots of stuff in there that the people really like.

    The insurance exchange PEOPLE LIKE IT. Manditory coverage for preexisting PEOPLE LIKE IT.

    GOP tries to hide those parts people like.

    GOP says repeal and replace but if you ask them what they will replace it with they have no answer all they scream is repeal.

    If you want to change it OFFER SOMETHING UP. Is that to much to ask for them or are they to stupid and self centered to do that.
     
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    Instead of Repeal and Replace, how about just amend. Let's debate their ideas in the open, and see what the American people think of the party of No's ideas?
     
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    And something other than getting insurance across state lines. Please. That's not going to fix it.
     
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    The pushback has always been centered on the individual mandate.

    It is evident that this is the lightening rod issue and as a result, many people oppose the premise of it.
     
  17. ugahairydawgs macrumors 68020

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    They have no solutions...which is part of the problem to this whole mess. If they had something in place to say "we hate the bill as is, but this is our solution" they would have a lot more of a leg stand on. But that don't, so they (GOP) get painted as trying to deny care to sick people.

    That said, your blanket assertion that all of this is racially motivated is baseless and a completely tired argument. People that don't like this bill (black and white alike) mostly are against it because of the fact that it greatly expands the power of the federal government and requires individuals buy into a private industry. I'm not saying that everyone shouldn't have health insurance, I just don't like the precedent being set here of using the IRS as a shoe horn to get citizens to do what the federal government desires. Just because someone hasn't come up with a better idea doesn't automatically make this one good.
     
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    Not really. The only truly unpopular part of the bill is the mandate, which was necessary in order to secure those other aspects that have proved to be popular. Disapproval of the mandate will likely decline as most Americans come to find that they are not subject to the penalty and as the law makes it easier for those who are uninsured to purchase coverage.
     
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    Then why toss out everything else. Oh wait is that because they are afraid prices will rise and they would rather people die in the street.

    GOP wants it all gone. They refuse to try to fix the broken system. It is far from perfect but it is a hell of a lot better than what the GOP wants (which is nothing.)
     
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    Who said this was all racially motivated? There are many on the right who are racially motivated, and others who do everything they can to attract the racist vote. However, the healthcare debate is just yet another example of those people doing everything they can to defeat the President, even if it means abandoning their own ideas.

    If this was about the ideas or the way in which healthcare reform was done, I would agree with you, but this is being pushed by people who are repugnant.

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    We have been down this road before.

    The GOP has ALWAYS opposed benefits for the elderly, the sick, and especially minorities. They have fought against SS, Medicare, Welfare, and any other aid or any program that benefits the poor because they don't like them.
     
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    You certainly implied it with this post


     
  22. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    Oh, I personally believe it is racially motivated because why else would they suddenly do a 180 on their own ideas?

    That being said, if you believe the Republicans, it is just coincidence. If you think I was implying something, perhaps it is because you too see the bizarre coincidence and conclude it probably isn't really a coincidence.
     
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    I know I am pretty much just feeding the beast here, but what do you base your assertion that the GOP hates the poor on?
     
  24. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    Policy and rhetoric. When you hear a President (Reagan) talk about welfare recipients driving Cadillacs. Minorities being described as "illegals" or worse. When you see a party actively attempting to cut every program that benefits the poor, the needy, the sick, the disabled...

    What do you call it?

    (edit) The fact that there are almost no minorities in the Republican party might be a small piece of evidence. They have very few female representatives, and (edit) That wasn't nice of me, I don't know them personally.
     

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