3rd party if Mr. 9/11 wins repub nomination?

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  1. yg17 macrumors G5

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    So I saw on Keith Olbermann tonight that the evangelicals are planning to run a 3rd party candidate if Rudy wins the republican nomination since he's not neocon enough for them. Thoughts? Think they'll actually go through with it?


    Personally, I hope they run a 3rd party. It will split the rethug vote and basically guarantee a victory for the Democrats. It'll be their Ralph Nader, except probably on a much larger scale.
     
  2. miloblithe macrumors 68020

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    I think it's a threat to affect the primary, nothing more.
     
  3. SMM macrumors 65816

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    Perhaps, but they may already be conceding this election, and be building the foundation for the next.
     
  4. CalBoy macrumors 604

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    Republicans never concede elections, and this one will be no different. If either Hillary or Obama gets the nomination (which looks likely) there is likely to be a shift of white male voters who used to vote Democratic towards the Republican ticket, esspecially if its Rudy. Mind you, white males already have started to leave the Democratic party, but having two minority candidates will only drive it further. Quite disgusting if you ask me, but also quite realistic:(
     
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    Who said I was talking about republicans? I also do not agree with your assessment. It does not align with many other opinions I am reading.
     
  6. CalBoy macrumors 604

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    Oh, you meant Evangelicals. :eek:

    As for white males, they have been leaving the Democratic party in droves recently. Culture War by Morris Fiorina has some details about this. Then again, according to Fiorina, America isn't so deeply divided, it is simply "closely" divided.

    Either way, the fact is, white males are indeed leaving the Democratic party for one reason or the other. An event like a minority running in a major (in fact, the most major) race in the nation will probably help propel that trend to new rates.
     
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    Other than that book, which I have not read, where have you seen this? People may not be really happy with the Dems lately, but they are not suddenly joining the GOP if that's where you're going. The Republicans are the ones losing members left and right. And according to recent polls, moderates are overwhelmingly siding with Dems, even if it comes to Hillary or Obama against the more moderate (though mostly in appearance) Rudy. And as we see, evangelicals are not going for Rudy. They're actually moving more toward the Dems than they have in the past as well.

    As for this, it is just a threat so the pro-choice, pro-gay rights Rudy doesn't get nominated. Moderates go for him, and some people are still falling for the 9/11 thing, but he's wearing that out quick. Fact is, there are really no good conservative candidates and they know that. That's why Repubs overwhelmingly choose "none of the above" with their candidates. Democrats on the other hand choose "any of the above". Moderates choosing Democrats more and more. Here's some recent info:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/01/AR2007100101235.html?hpid=topnews
     
  8. Lyle macrumors 68000

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    I agree. If it really comes down to Guiliani being the Republican candidate, I think most Evangelicals will hold their noses and vote for him -- especially if Clinton is the Democratic candidate.

    Not trying to change the subject, but did anyone see Sam Waterston on the Colbert Report a week or so ago, when he was talking about his Unity08 party? I did a quick search for "unity" in the PRSI forum but didn't find any threads discussing it.
     
  9. Josh macrumors 68000

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    If Rudy wins anything, I won't be looking for another party.

    I'll be looking for another planet.
     
  10. shu82 macrumors 6502a

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    It would be great to see all the Evangelicals, Ron Paul Crazies, Libertarians, and the last of the Conservative Democrats, all come together.

    With that fun mix, who wouldn't vote for them?

    Then the Dems could finally show their true colors and just go ahead and call themselves the Social(ist) Democrats.

    The Republicans will probably just keep the same name. Heck maybe even go back to the Democrat-Republicans.

    The new party could just be the National-Libertarians or perhaps just the Conservative Party like Britain.

    We all agree the pot needs to be stirred a little if we want anything to get better.
     
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    Oh please. That is so far from the truth it makes me depressed.

    If only there were a viable socialist party in this country. The Democrats are capitalists just like the Republicans. You either don't know what socialism is or you are completely unable to see that the Democratic party is rather conservative when compared to the rest of the world, and especially Western Europe (who do have Socialist parties, and actually vote for Socialists).
     
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    I meant after the removal of the Blue dogs, the socialist arm of the party would be in majority control. Not saying now. But Hillary is a good example of a Western European Socialist.

    My definition is one who wants to make the middle class reliant on the government (a la health care/employment).

    Or as some would state: Give the middle class economic and health security. (and leave out stealing over half your paycheck in the process) The rich stay rich, the middle class suffers, and the poor rise marginally. Yay!!!
     
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    Just a quick point. Are you saying a woman is considered a "minority candidate" in the US? :confused:
     
  14. CalBoy macrumors 604

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    We've actually had several interesting reads on this in Poli Sci classes. The current climate which favors moderate Democrats is due to unhappiness with Bush. On the whole however, for past twenty years (since about Reagan's time), white males have been leaving the Democratic party at a slow and steady pace. The current low approval ratings of Bush are the actual cause of broad moderate Democrat support, not people "returning" to the Democratic party. If anything, there are more new voter registrations for Independants.
    Sadly, yes:( Up till two years ago, we had two Supreme Court Justices who were women; now there's only one. Women however, have made small gains in the House and Senate (I believe there are nine or eleven female senators now).
     
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    I doubt that the Christian Right will form their own party. I personally hope they do because it will take away a lot of votes from the Republicans. I don't think that Rudi will get the nomination. He is destroying his own campaign left and right. I bet that the Republicans will probably nominate Thompson.
     
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    I'll say it again: oh please. There is only a handful of people in Congress that could even be considered socialist, and Hillary is not one of them. Bernie Sanders and possibly Kucinich could be the closest examples of a socialist in Congress.

    Hillary is a capitalist like all of the rest.

    Please, please, please, please: Learn what socialism is before you start branding every semi-liberal (and here's a quick lesson for you, liberal != socialist) a socialist.
     
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    I agree Hillary is no socialist. She is not a robber-baron variety capitalist either. She espouses far too many government controls for that. I can see why the tendency to call her one exists. I do believe in "damning" people for what they are are, not what their enemies make them out to be.

    That being said, Five, are you still supporting Kucinich?
     
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    She definitely isn't a robber-baron capitalist either, but I'm sick of people throwing the word "socialist" around at anybody who happens to be the slightest bit liberal. It gets really tiring.

    Yes, I'm still supporting Kucinich. He isn't the perfect candidate, but he's the best out of the choices we have, I believe. I don't know what I'm going to do if he doesn't win the primaries. I will either abstain from voting, or just vote D if it seems like it might be a tight election (it doesn't matter either way, Arizona is so conservative that it's pretty much a given for the Republicans).
     
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    the Republicans & Democrats own the land, the building and the business. Sure I would love it since I have decided its going to be years & years before I vote for another elephant.
     
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    Oh give it a rest, please. The definition of socialism is hardly yours you make. And if we had a universal health system like the rest of the world we're suddenly reliant on the government for everything? Your post is quite ill-informed.
     
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    Oooh! Oooh!! I know the answer to this one!!!

    How about the Evangelical-Ron-Paul-Crazy-Libertarian-Conservative Democrat party?


    I hate to say it, but the way this is written, it sounds a lot like a political fantasy football league. :D
     
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    This is pretty far removed from the realities of socialized healthcare. Per-capita, Americans have more debt that Canadians, despite the supposedly higher disposable income (slightly) lower tax rates promise.
     
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    I sure hope so!


    Nothing better then splitting that party down the middle...then we could run who ever we want and we'd win.


    Dennis '08?!!!
     
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    What a great analysis. <applause>
     
  25. Swarmlord macrumors 6502a

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    Throw in Social Security, Medicare, Foodstamps, AFDC, Section 8 housing, public schools and a list that goes on and on and , yes, many are quite reliant on the government for everything.
     

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