50 Republican National Security Officials Eviscerate Trump in Open Letter

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  1. bradl macrumors 68040

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    In addition to his numbers in complete free-fall since the DNC, and falling faster after his speech at the Detroit Economics Club, and compounding the lie that he'd "put Oregon in play" for the general election (in fact, his numbers now put Georgia and Arizona in play), we now have the fact that not just top security officials, but 50 of those officials in his own party have excoriated Donald Trump in an open letter.

    From the New York Times, via HuffPo:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/09/us/politics/national-security-gop-donald-trump.html

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-national-security_us_57a8d2dce4b0aae2a5a0ba36

    A copy of that letter is here.

    http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/NatSecLetter.pdf

    This is not just getting bad for him, but it's getting hilariously bad to the point where he's becoming an embarrassment to himself. Everyone would say that he should drop out, but as we know, his pride won't let him. So I'll just end it with a quote from a particular video game that was big in the 1980s:

    Yellow Elf needs food, BADLY.

    BL.
     
  2. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    trump supporters don't care. why should they?
     
  3. iShater macrumors 604

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    I don't think they are the target audience for Republicans speaking up.

    The target is those that are supporting him just because he is the nominee, knowing that he is a bad choice.

    Kinda sad that Hilary is the least of two evils for them. We are getting close to a time where we truly need more than 2 parties, and we need to figure out how elect a government with that.
     
  4. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    yes why should you? we don't need security it is for losers.
     
  5. bradl thread starter macrumors 68040

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    They don't care, and they won't care. But that isn't the target audience of the letter.

    The target is the voters in the Republican party who are on the bubble that Trump is trying to woo. He's trying to get them to come over to his cause, and those who are respectable to highly respectable in their party just came out against him.

    This would be like, for example, the National Black Caucus, the Rainbow Coalition, and everyone who followed Oprah came out to be against Obama in an open letter.

    These people have influence, and for those who are undecided in the Republican party on voting for or against Trump, this could be tat tipping point that decides their vote.

    BL.
     
  6. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    BOTH sides work to ensure they are the only options. electoral college does not help there either.
     
  7. zin macrumors 6502

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    LOL. Where were these experts when Clinton actually did this?

    The double standard is real.
     
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    If the U.S. accepted an Instant-Runoff or Ranked Choice voting, then we'd have a system that allowed for stronger third-party options. Otherwise, a third party merely acts as a spoiler for one of the other ideologically-close parties.

    Apparently, this system is used in 13 U.S. cities, including three in northern California.

    In fact, changing this structure should be the goal of the third parties rather than yet another failed presidential run.

    The Green and Libertarian parties, along with independents, should push for such a system because it would allow people to vote for Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, or Evan McMullin without worrying that they're handing the election over to Clinton or Trump.

    At the very least, push for such a structure at the Congressional level so we can mix up the House and Senate.
     
  9. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    much easier to make the GOP implode, hence the reason I liked what Trump doing to it and hoped they had the same balls the DNC and just rigged the campaign so they could finally die :D
     
  10. MacAndMic macrumors 6502

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    Trump is the 3rd party. He was able to knock off the Republicans early. His supporters want him because both Republicans and Democrats are corrupt.
     
  11. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    you are correct to a degree. old guard from the GOP needs to move to the Constitution party.
     
  12. MarkusL macrumors 6502

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    How bad can it be? When Trump orders the use of nuclear weapons the people around him could pretend to obey, lock him in a bunker, and feed him fake reports of how the "war" is going. If Trump is smart enough to see through that, I will eat my tinfoil hat!
     
  13. MacAndMic macrumors 6502

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    What evidence is there to back this up? I doubt more than 10% of America have even heard his speech yet. Where is there a poll about this?
     
  14. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Wait - they can read? ;)
     
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    Hah, many of those old guard don't even obey the Constitution or swindle their constituents into believing they do when in vote they don't.
    --- Post Merged, Aug 8, 2016 ---
    Some do, like certain coworkers I know of. They also have college degrees. Let me introduce you to them, after purchasing a bucket of popcorn.
     
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    READING is one thing, comprehension is quiet another :p
     
  17. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Totally agree on the alternative voting methods. I'd add to it proportional representation in the House of Representatives, so there'd be an even greater chance of third parties being a viable choice. And as an added bonus, it would force more coalition building and hopefully break the partisan gridlock that has taken over Washington.
     
  18. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    That's just branding. Don't fall for Trump's long-con.
     
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    The first letter the same crew sent in March did not prevent Trump from becoming nominee.


    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/04/us/politics/gop-foreign-policy-figures-denounce-donald-trumps-worldview.html?referer=http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/09/us/politics/national-security-gop-donald-trump.html?referer=http://go.macrumors.com/?id=73726X1523008&site=Forums.macrumors.com&xs=1&isjs=1&url=http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/09/us/politics/national-security-gop-donald-trump.html&xguid=&xuuid=e700fe7430b67ed1533d6d87ef794da8&xsessid=&xcreo=0&xed=0&sref=http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/50-republican-national-security-officials-eviscerate-trump-in-open-letter.1987027/&pref=http://forums.macrumors.com/forums/politics-religion-social-issues.47/&xtz=240
     
  20. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    At the very least, having a contingent of Independents, Greens, and Libertarians would make filibusters and other stupid Congressional tactics more difficult.
     
  21. MacAndMic macrumors 6502

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    That is your opinion...
     
  22. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    Unlike the unalloyed fact you've been trading on? Come'on.
     
  23. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a

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    The old guard of the GOP asks what is this Constitution you speak of?
     
  24. MacAndMic macrumors 6502

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    One of those last word guys...
     
  25. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    Pot. Kettle.

    Seriously, we could do this all day.
     

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