74 Nobel Laureates endorse Obama

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  1. chrmjenkins macrumors 603

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    http://www.eetimes.com/rss/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=211601359

    Letter to the American people:

    http://sefora.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/nobel_letter_v6.pdf
     
  2. gauchogolfer macrumors 603

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    You can't get much more elitist than being a Nobel laureate.
     
  3. BoyBach macrumors 68040

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    Or Socialistic.
     
  4. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Looking at this from a stereotypical view, this is exactly what divides this nation. On one end, you have the Blues with most multi-racial groups, and prim-and-propers, versus the Reds who are gun toting vocationists. If this endorsement doesn't show any indication of the extremes, nothing else will.

    Truly a sad state of affairs, this has become. Not really saying, but I'm trying to say.. :eek:

    BL.
     
  5. Scepticalscribe Contributor

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    Not elitist. Merely honoured, recognised and respected for their contributions to the knowledge and culture of the world. BTW, how many Nobel laureates have come out for the Republicans?
    Cheers
     
  6. BoyBach macrumors 68040

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    Off the top of my head, there's Dr. Kissinger. (That about sums it up! ;) )
     
  7. AP_piano295 macrumors 65816

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    Have you seen Palin?
     
  8. Scepticalscribe Contributor

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    Unfortunately, yes.

    Cheers
     
  9. Anuba macrumors 68040

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    The simple fact of the matter is that the USA is too large and unwieldy to be held together without cracking. The only ones who have succeeded (if briefly) in keeping several hundred million people united across a vast geographical area are China and the Soviet Union, where any attempt at division resulted in a bullet in your head. Small democracy - yes. Huge totalitarian dictatorship - yes. Huge democracy - no.

    You should just cut the US up in pieces and keep the federation as a monetary union, like the EU, and let the states mind their own business.
     
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    I believe thats exactly what we have now. The United States of America. Where do you think the EU got the idea?
     
  11. Anuba macrumors 68040

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    In the EU, we don't elect a federal president. We don't pay federal taxes. We have our own governments. We speak different languages. Some of us use our own currencies. "Division" is a non-issue, because we have no intention of uniting into a big unwieldy mess. Are the Finns "gun toting vocationists"? If so, great for them. Are the Spaniards a bunch of multi-racial groups? Great! More elbow power to them. Are the Britons prim-and-propers? Awesome, let's drink to that.
     
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    Isn't Tony Blair canvassing for that job?
    :confused::eek:
     
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    Well, perhaps if our states were more like countries and contained only like-minded people your idea might work, but as it is, you will find every extreme in every state.
     
  15. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    The states are already a lot like countries. They are sovereign, they have their own legislatures and governors. The power of the federal government is limited by design.

    One thing I find that most people who don't live here fail to grasp is that government in the US is probably more decentralized than anywhere in the world.
     
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    here the "Länder" also have their own legislatures and "governors" ("Landeshauptmann")

    true the US states have more impact on legislature but in terms of structure it's not something novel, it's some sort of federal republic just like many other countries
     
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    Canada's provinces are also fairly independent of the federal government.

    The US system is not novel perhaps, but I believe more decentralized in terms of the power held by state and local government and the restraints on federal powers are greater. Of even more importance I believe is that the states are only loosely tied to the national political parties, and local governments are detached completely. Political offices below the state level are almost entirely non-partisan. I don't think that's very common.
     
  18. Iscariot macrumors 68030

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    Interesting information that I was not aware of. Canada's provinces are similarly independent, but that varies from province to province. A province like Ontario is vastly affected by the federal government, whereas a province like Quebec is far less affected. There also tends to be a certain amount of "province loyalty" within the federal government during minority governments, wherein the federal government will court provinces based on which direction the province and it's constituents are likely to head.
     
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    They didn't forget about the "everyman". Obama tried to get 74 plumbers to endorse his campaign, but they were all out stealing Obama yard signs.
     
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    Precisely. If Lenin was still alive, he would endorse Obama for being a a supporter of "Mother Russia".

    Don
     
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    I thought it was Bush who looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul.
     
  22. Iscariot macrumors 68030

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    I typically stay out of these Obama vs. McCain debates, in no small part because I honestly don't much care for Obama or his policies. But this is really getting tiresome. There are plenty of good, valid, concrete and real reasons not to vote for him. It could simply be that you prefer a conservative ideology to a moderate or liberal one. Why isn't that a good enough reason? It would at least be honest. All of these completely dishonest arguments about socialism and terrorist connections are not only completely absurd from a rational standpoint, but they make their proponents seem crude, uneducated and unscrupulous. These same individuals then cry foul over how supposedly liberal this forum is, and how they're not getting a fair shake.

    If you're not going to vote for Obama or if you don't like him, at least do it for honest reasons.
     
  23. abijnk macrumors 68040

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    I know how our government works, I was just referring directly to Anuba's insinuation that all the states contain within them like-minded people. If all our states were split up into separate countries politics would stay the same. That is evidenced by a lot of the state races going on this year. Some of them are even nastier than the presidential race.
     
  24. Dmac77 macrumors 68020

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    It's not nice to assume that I'm uneducated. You know what they say about ASS-U-M-ING

    And how is "Income Redistribution" not a socialist policy?

    Don
     
  25. Iscariot macrumors 68030

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    "Seem" is not synonymous with "is". QED.
    Obama doesn't believe in anything remotely close to income redistribution. I strongly suggest you actually have a look at some real socialist party platforms.
     

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