9/11 support goes to the top of Saudi government

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  1. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    https://www.yahoo.com/katiecouric/bob-graham-on-declassifying-portions-of-the-911-163328582.html
    why are they considered our allies?
     
  2. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Because Rummy said so? Or was it because Cheney and Halliburton were too busy wanting to keep their money rolling in as we paid anywhere from $4 - $6/gallon for gas from the $100+ per barrel of oil?

    Nah.. couldn't have been the oil... :rolleyes: ;)

    Honestly, I don't know. However; the question I have is this: OBL orchestrated this while based in Afghanistan. Did he ever renounce his Saudi citizenship? If not, then there could and should have been cause for questioning the Saudis during the whole hunt for him between 2001 and 2008.


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  3. Jess13, May 18, 2016
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    While the media focus primarily, almost exclusively is on Saudi Arabia, it is important to remember that the 28 pages detail 9/11 conspiracy involvement of plural foreign governments.


    Dec. 2013

    9/11 LINK TO SAUDI ARABIA IS TOPIC OF 28 REDACTED PAGES IN GOVERNMENT REPORT; CONGRESSMEN PUSH FOR RELEASE

    http://www.ibtimes.com/911-link-sau...nment-report-congressmen-push-release-1501202

    I was absolutely shocked by what I read,” Jones told International Business Times. “What was so surprising was that those whom we thought we could trust really disappointed me. I cannot go into it any more than that. I had to sign an oath that what I read had to remain confidential. But the information I read disappointed me greatly.”

    The information is critical to our foreign policy moving forward and should thus be available to the American people. If the 9/11 hijackers had outside help – particularly from one or more foreign governments – the press and the public have a right to know what our government has or has not done to bring justice to the perpetrators.”​


    2015-16

    H.R. 14, 114TH CONGRESS
    Reps. Jones (R-NC), Lynch (D-MA), Massie (R-KY)

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-resolution/14/text

    Whereas the [Obama] executive branch’s decision to maintain the classified status of these pages prevents the people of the United States from having access to information about the involvement of certain foreign governments in the terrorist attacks of September 2001;​


    Apr. 2016

    FMR. REP. PETE HOEKSTRA (R-MI)

    https://twitter.com/i/videos/725193045700923392

    “[28 pages] may be embarrassing to the Saudis or other governments, but that’s no reason to now continue to withhold this information.”​


    JONES CALLS ON OBAMA NOT TO BOW TO SAUDI KING

    http://jones.house.gov/press-release/jones-calls-obama-not-bow-saudi-king

    I call on the President not to bow to the Saudi King and the Washington DC lobbyists who are making obscene amounts of money lobbying on the King’s behalf,” said Congressman Jones. “The 9/11 victims and their families deserve to know what’s in the 28 pages. They deserve answers, not a cover-up. President Obama has promised the 9/11 families he would release the 28 pages and there isn’t a better time than now to do so.”

    Last year, Congressmen Jones, Lynch, and Massie introduced H. Res. 14, a resolution to call on President Obama to declassify the 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry that were initially classified by President George W. Bush and have remained classified under President Barack Obama. The resolution states that declassification of the pages is necessary to provide the American public with the full truth surrounding the tragic events of September 11, 2001, particularly relating to the involvement of foreign governments.


    May 2016

    REP. MASSIE SAYS LAWMAKERS NEED TO READ CLASSIFIED 28 PAGES BEFORE VOTING ON NDAA

    https://www.districtsentinel.com/re...rs-need-read-classified-28-pages-voting-ndaa/

    The congressman didn’t provide any details of what’s in the document. He said, however, that claims about its release harming national security are overblown.

    Grownups can read this report and see that it’s not going to jeopardize our national security,” Massie said. “It may jeopardize relationships with other countries (plural)—so be it, the truth needs to get out,” he added.

    The House of Representatives is currently considering the 2017 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA)—a military policy bill crafted annually by Congress. Massie said it was a shame that many of his fellow members have not read the 28 pages in order to make an informed vote on the NDAA.

    They’re crafting policy ostensibly to prevent another 9/11. Well, if you don’t know what caused the first 9/11 how are you going to prevent another one,” he stated.​


    I just uploaded the 28 pages segment from Thomas Massie’s C-SPAN appearance earlier today:


     
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    Sorry, I guess this is a rhetorical question, but, it actually does have an answer, however unpleasant it may be for some people to discuss it in public.

    [​IMG]

    http://www.opec.org/opec_web/en/data_graphs/330.htm
     
  6. Mac'nCheese macrumors 68030

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    If they had a hand in 9/11, how could they be less bad than anyone?
     
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    OBL was exiled long before 9/11.

    Never mind people forget about the 1993 attack and instead of people saying "gOvERnMEnT cOvERuP!!" they could have taken the possibility that the hijackers also had a plan to demolish buildings too, hence WTC7 crumbling. It's not without precedent. But all that's no less a conspiracy theory than all the others out there, regardless off the fact it's just more fun to blame big gubmint. Especially if it's true that GWB43 was warned in August of a possible attack but didn't take it seriously, hence leading to the attack and then going all hyper-in-the-opposite-direction afterward with the Patriot Act, etc, followed by using that to make a tie-in to Iraq that was not based on the conditions he tried winning supporters for in the first place (imminent attack, which was proven there was none and he even admitted it on camera in a conference. Youtube it then youitube Dick Cheney's video from 1994 when he said with reasonable detail what would happen if the US tried to topple Saddam - expensive quagmire, which it turned out to be and, no, the oil didn't pay for it and GWB43 chose to hide war costs (which Obama later put back into the general budget where they belonged).)
     
  8. Jess13, May 19, 2016
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    Prince “Bandar Bush” is named in the 28 pages. I suspect one reason Obama hasn’t kept his promises to 9/11 families’ faces and declassified, is because he and CIA have committed treason with 9/11 Saudis.


    U.S. Relies Heavily on Saudi Money to Support Syrian Rebels

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/w...-on-saudi-money-to-support-syrian-rebels.html

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    Yes, while President Warbama cries fake, staged, psychopathic tears for U.S. victims of gun violence, he helps to arm terrorists with machine guns and ammunition, used to murder man, woman and child victims.

    Prince “Bandar Bush” is a longtime Bush Crime Family and CIA covert terror ally.


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    Maybe a full thread devoted to this is in order? But here's my 2 cents anyway:

    The US, in one year, consumes- what - 7 billion barrels? Without external sources, that's 40 years - assuming we don't make fair compromises that still allow plenty of freedom.

    Now add in technology and other means to shift energy usage, there's still a very long time before there's any catastrophe. Oil is going to be needed and one of the more rapid causes for usage is personal transport not due to necessity but excessive choice.

    Do Americans all need to own boats with big motors and big trucks that get 9MPG? Or 13MPG when said boat isn't being hauled? Why not rent what's available at a resort? (I've nothing against being an ownership society, but there are reasonable compromises people can do. But even the slightest idea is "Evvvvil soshulist commienizm!" That's the mindset people really need to be weeping over. Maybe the kids will realize how daddy is pillaging their future with every excursion down the river in the speedboat, throwing empty beer cans into it?
     
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    Because you might get a Syria, and given Saudi Arabia has all of Islam's holiest sites that could cause trouble too.
     
  11. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Who says you need to replace S-A with another "ally"?
     
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    No one. But at the same time, you don't want to escalate things to the point that we're involving ourselves in a full on war, because the entire region decided to go ape**** jihadi on us because we bombed Mecca.
     
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    Well there is always Venezuela.

    Apparently things aren't going too well there. Despite having the largest oil reserves in the world, the country is broke, on the brink of starvation, and about to break into either popular revolution or military dictatorship.

    Maybe we could persuade Donald Trump to go down to Venezuela. Make a "yuuuuuuuge" deal to buy up all their oil in return for casinos, golf courses, and luxury condominiums. Food and a functioning healthcare system would be good too.

    If he did that, and came back having turned around Venezuela, we can have another conversation about his qualifications to be President. Because if Trump got us control of all of that tasty Venezuela black gold, We could tell Saudi Arabia to go fly a kite.
     
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    My immediate thought was, "Sounds like a plan."

    My next thought was, "Be careful what you wish for."
     
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    Isn't your (Norteamericanos) president getting ready to veto the ability for victims to sue the saudis? How progressive.
     
  18. Limey77 macrumors regular

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    I know you love your mass cut and pastes making you think it makes you look informed but did you actually read the article?? I think not as it does not say what you are claiming in any way shape or form.

    It categorically does NOT say that the US government knew anything about the funding of 9/11 prior to the attacks. It does NOT claim to show anything about the funding and does NOT implicate SA in the attacks.

    So why post it???????
     
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    Because it's just so colorful?
     
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    There's basically no other reason, other than to enforce already entrenched conspiracy theories.
     
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    Sorry, should I post my comments in emoji form for you? Is that more your reading level and easier for you to understand? It is not an article; it’s a press release. He can’t say what is in the 28 pages — it is still classified. What he did say, is that the 28 pages show that the Bush administration’s lies pre-“Shock & Awe” were terribly wrong. In Bob Graham’s 2004 book Intelligence Matters, he says that hijacker support money was provided from Prince “Bandar Bush” bin Sultan’s family bank account (that also is, at least, partly what ties the British government into being one of the plural foreign governments in the 28 pages). This was more than $100,000. Bob Graham was cochair of the Joint Inquiry, and he helped in writing the 28 pages. If you read the Joint Inquiry report, you find that tons of other hijacker money was through and/or drawn on Saudi and UAE banks. Here, I have screen capture highlighting it:



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    Lots of red and yellow this time. Nice.
     
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    Yeah, perhaps you should take a minute and read it. I highlighted and annotated those.
     
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    Sorry. I've read so much of your conspiracy stuff that I can't manage to read any more of it.
     
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    You did.

    But nothing there suggests the Saudi Government or high officials had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks.

    I'm quite certain Cliven Bundy and the rest of the people involved with the Wildlife Sanctuary occupation used credit cards and bank accounts in the past few years. But that doesn't mean that Joe Biden and Janet Yellen were coordinating their actions.
     

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