96 Dead in a RI nightclub fire

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by wdlove, Feb 22, 2003.

  1. wdlove macrumors P6


    Oct 20, 2002
    Death toll reaches 96 in a fire at RI nightclub; 187 hurt. Injured sent to RI & MA hospitals, 35 are listed in critical condition from severe burns & smoke inhalation. A criminal probe is opened, information so far points to the band. At prior nightclubs they used pyrotechnics without the permission of the club.
    A camerman caught moments when the Great White's fireworks ignited the fire.

    The Station Nightclub had completed an inspection last December. They made the requested repairs and so were in compliance with fire regulations.

    The pyrotechnics show lacked state and local permits.

    As the hope waned, the familes were looking for answers.

    The elation of the concert turned to horror in just seconds. The building was completely engulfed in flames after 5 minutes.

    It's the 4th deadliest fire in US history!

    My prayers go out to the victims and their families.:(

  2. brogers macrumors regular

    Apr 6, 2002
    Greensboro, NC
    Same here. Very sad night for so many families.
  3. King Cobra macrumors 603

    Mar 2, 2002
    On our way back to NJ the other day my parents heard this over repeatedly on the radio. The commentary was pretty high on the speakers, so I basically memorized what happened, as well as a few individual's opinions.

    (not registered for NYTimes.com)

    #1: Some people would begin to accuse the cameraman for watching the flame spread throughout the old building and blocking the way out for many people. The cameraman was being bumped and shoved because he was in the way for that many people.

    #2: The pyrotechnitions are at fault for the incident. (A) You MUST have a license to work with pyro, and you MUST be capable of handling the pyro. (B) There was a lot of "finger pointing" about who started what about the incident. Some blamed the group. Others blamed the entire club, etc. (C) One of the DJ radiowoman was discussing what concert bands do when they say doors open at some time, but open 30 minutes later. During that 30 minutes, all of the gismos and gadgets are being tested for the performance. If anything fails, it is dealt with BEFORE civilians enter the building. (D) The pyros were not tested or were not properly tested, thus, it is the pyrotechnitions' fault for failing to test instruments and preventing this accident.

    #3 Basically what it comes down to is people wishing to satisfy others while satisfying themselves (money for charisma). Yet people forget the basics. Check your instruments and anything liable for plausible damage or destruction, then worry about your earnings. Now because these guys failed to do so, I see little positive fanfare in their future.
  4. MacFan25 macrumors 68000


    Jan 5, 2003
  5. janey macrumors 603


    Dec 20, 2002
    sunny los angeles
    According to the nightclub, in a statement released today i think, they said that they were not informed of the fact that the group wanted to use pyro.
    It is most likely the fault of the group, which I believe has used pyro before without consent from the nightclubs.
  6. Rower_CPU Moderator emeritus


    Oct 5, 2001
    San Diego, CA
  7. iJon macrumors 604


    Feb 7, 2002
    they both probably will be sued. someone will file a lawsuit on both of them. just wait, it will happen.

  8. redAPPLE macrumors 68030


    May 7, 2002
    2 Much Infinite Loops
    "compliance with fire regulations" or not, my opinion is, pyrotechnics in a roofed place should be banned.

    i do not know this group Great White. i guess they are a small local(?) group. that means they might not have the means to acquire a real professional pyrotechnician.

    a tragic thing. my condolences. stay safe people.
  9. mymemory macrumors 68020


    May 9, 2001
    The first main question is:

    Are the band members alive?

    The responsability falls:

    1. Band members.

    2. The Night Club Owner.

    He hire the talent and let the people in. If the Owner of the club is not responsable neither the rest of the other Night Clubs owners taht in the future may do something similar.

    Night Clubs in the US have to really be regulated because such tragedies are more usual in the US just because most of the clubs are smaller in very crawded cities. At list compared to the clubs in my city that can have the oportunity to have a very open air place just because we do not have winter.
  10. wdlove thread starter macrumors P6


    Oct 20, 2002
    Re: The first main question is:

    Only one from the band is missing a guitarist.

    Jeff Derderian, a local TV reporter and co-owner of The Station nightclub, broke down yesterday while reading a prepared statment. Jeff denied again that any use of pyrotechnics used by the band was unauthorized. "It is very difficult to express what I experienced at the club that evening, trying to get people out to safety." "Please know I tried as hard as I could. Many people didn't make it out and that is a horror that will haunt my family and I for the rest of our lives."

    Carl Carcieri, governor of RI at a live news conference today at 12n announced an ecumentical service this evening at 6pm in West Warwick
  11. wdlove thread starter macrumors P6


    Oct 20, 2002
    Carl Carcieri, governor of RI at a news conference this afternoon announced another body found, total dead at 97. 42 of them have now been positively identified. Forensic scientist are working around the clock.

    Families got to visit the site this afternoon via buses. No media or politicians aloud.
  12. iJon macrumors 604


    Feb 7, 2002
    they were big, back in the 80's. that is what my brother and sister told me who are like in there 30's. I'm only 17 so I have never heard of them as well.

  13. iWantAMac macrumors 6502

    Feb 6, 2003
  14. Sun Baked macrumors G5

    Sun Baked

    May 19, 2002
    At least somebody is finally coming to the bands defense, by saying and showing photographic proof that pyrotechnics had been used by other bands at this club in the past.

    As usual, when something goes wrong, the "verbal permission" evaporates and people point at the written contract.

    A lot of stuff went wrong, on all sides, it happens and laws usually get enforced after the fact.

    But just watching the tape, where are the fire extinguishers -- even without pyro, the lights and equipment pose fire hazards. So you'd expect some dry chemical fire extinguishers to be handy near the stage. But alas they are a PIA and you trip over them for years until you need them.

    Though I can see fire code updated for stage shows to include mandatory bottles near and on the stages in the future. And I can almost hear in the future, the in case of emergency the fire exits are located...
  15. wdlove thread starter macrumors P6


    Oct 20, 2002
    RI is observing a day of prayer.

    Issues of liability an accountablity. According to legal specialists the band Great White and the owners of The Station rock club could face civil and possibly criminal liability. Negligence and no permission are at issue.

    Both the band and the club probably will face millions of dollars in wrongfull death lawsuits also. Others could face lawsuits also, such as promoters and contractors.

    "Even if the Dedarians prove that they weren't told about the fireworkds beforehand, lawyers said, they still face corporate liability for negligence." Boston Globe "Even if you didn't tell (the band) that it was OK, this activity happened on your watch," said David Herlihy, a Newton, MA attorney and musician who specializes in entertainmenty and music industry law. "It's not necesssary to prove that you knew."
  16. AllenPSU macrumors regular

    Feb 24, 2003
    This really is a sad moment and the families that have lost loved ones really do need our prayers. I am glad that the state set a day aside but is something we should pray for reguardless.

    I really hope that other public businesses will take a hard look at thier fire prevention/fighting equipment/escapes and make an honest risk assessment. The fire in CT the other night just shows we need to look at this on an individual basis.

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