A Catholic Priest Put An Aborted Fetus On The Altar In An Appeal For Donald Trump

steve knight

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This is so sick I very much doubt trump cares about abortion and I bet he has paid for at least a few of them himself.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/11/07/a-catholic-priest-put-an-aborted-fetus-on-the-altar-in-an-appeal-for-donald-trump/?postshare=6461478559004312&tid=ss_tw
Ahead of Tuesday’s presidential election, the Rev. Frank Pavone took an aborted fetus, laid it upon an altar Sunday and posted a live video on Facebook. Pavone, a Catholic priest who heads New York-based Priests for Life, said the fetus was entrusted to him by a pathologist for burial.

During an already heated and divisive campaign season, Pavone’s video has raised questions for some about what is appropriate antiabortion and political activism in the church. As of Monday afternoon, the video, which is 44 minutes long, had 236,000 views. In it, he holds up a poster of graphics of abortion procedures.

In Pavone’s Facebook appeal, he wrote, “we have to decide if we will allow this child killing to continue in America or not. Hillary Clinton and the Democratic platform says yes, let the child-killing continue (and you pay for it); Donald Trump and the Republican platform says no, the child should be protected.”
 

BoxerGT2.5

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While I find the mans actions to be disgraceful, abortion is one of those things people want, but don't want to know the details. If they could visualize it, they'd have a hard time supporting it.
 
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APlotdevice

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Someone aught to inform this dude that Trump supports exceptions for rape and incest. (Unless he's flip-flopped on that like he has on the issue in general...)

Also why do I get the feeling that this is another miscarriage that's being misrepresented as an abortion?
 

LizKat

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Offhand I'd say there's some detail needed for this quote from the linked piece in WaPo:

In Pavone’s Facebook appeal, he wrote, “we have to decide if we will allow this child killing
to continue in America or not. Hillary Clinton and the Democratic platform says yes, let the
child-killing continue (and you pay for it); Donald Trump and the Republican platform says

no, the child should be protected.”
The detail is that the Republican platform seems to quit caring about that child at birth, or the mother at all.

From the get go, the kid should perhaps just bootstrap himself up to the heights of material success? The Republicans are the chief proponents of catch-22 provisions like converting welfare into workfare but failing to provide adequate resources for childcare, and by the way if you want contraceptives, that's on you, and obviously don't expect availability of abortion clinics, in fact don't even expect women's health clinics.

More and more Americans believe the decision to have an abortion, or not, is best left to the woman and her physician. More than half believe it should be legal in most cases, and that the choice (including the morality of the decision) is a personal one. More and more the political view towards legislation converges on "safe but rare" abortion, and not least because we have better methods of birth control today and until at least recently, better access to it and education about it as well. To publicize this particular abortion --or miscarriage-- in this way is a travesty of political will, moral choice and social justice by a priest of a Church that perhaps wrongly prides itself on that social justice (at least on this day), and a blatant mockery of the woman's right to privacy.
 
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NT1440

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Because having a camera shoved up your rectum is equal to the destruction of a human life.
I'm sorry, did you not state "abortion is one of those things people want, but don't want to know the details. If they could visualize it, they'd have a hard time supporting it". If the visualizing logic holds, we should outlaw colonoscopies and taking a crap, no?

Take the joke, and come join us in the 21st century where a zygote is not a human.
 

BoxerGT2.5

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I'm sorry, did you not state "abortion is one of those things people want, but don't want to know the details. If they could visualize it, they'd have a hard time supporting it". If the visualizing logic holds, we should outlaw colonoscopies and taking a crap, no?

Take the joke, and come join us in the 21st century where a zygote is not a human.
Visualizing that a given act led to the death of an human being is a lot different than visualizing your colon on a screen. I can take a joke if it's funny. Regarding joining you in the 21st century where a zygote is not a human, I'm not sure if it's willful ignorance or not but zygotes aren't the only thing being knocked off.
 

NT1440

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Visualizing that a given act led to the death of an human being is a lot different than visualizing your colon on a screen. I can take a joke if it's funny. Regarding joining you in the 21st century where a zygote is not a human, I'm not sure if it's willful ignorance or not but zygotes aren't the only thing being knocked off.
Seriously, don't care. I'm never going to be carrying a child so it not my place, my government, or mythical sky fairy X or Y's place to tell a woman what she can do when it comes to that situation.
 

Raid

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I like this from the article:
“Being pro-life is about respecting the dignity of the human person,” Alt wrote. “It is the antithesis of respect for the dignity of the human person to use a dead child as a political prop to lobby for your presidential candidate the day before an election.”
The Church bemoans the loss of life but is only willing to offer condemnation, because we all know the incredible burden and responsibility it is to actually care about the life from beginning to end.
 

PracticalMac

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IF the Catholic church and Republican party simply approve and encourage contraception, then unwanted-pregnancy abortions would be all but non-existent (medically related not counted).

And the number of unwanted-pregnancy children going on welfare would also plummet.

And if comprehensive and early sex education was mandatory in school (as it is in Europe) unwanted-pregnancy and unwanted children would also reduce.

This is not fiction but facts gained from studies in Europe.




Oh, it must be rigged, like everything is.
 

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I like this from the article:


The Church bemoans the loss of life but is only willing to offer condemnation, because we all know the incredible burden and responsibility it is to actually care about the life from beginning to end.
I guess you ignore the orphanages, adoption agencies, charity work, the hospitals that the Church run.
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Your ignorance is showing.
 

vrDrew

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When I saw this story, my first question was this:

Where does one go to find a freshly aborted human fetus?

I don't know that much about the procedure, but I somehow don't think that women's healthcare clinics make a habit of just tossing them into the trash. My (limited) understanding of such things is that hospitals have extremely strict procedures for disposal of surgically removed material, since it is considered hazardous bio-waste. Most excised organs and amputated limbs are incinerated. My dentist's office takes special care to securely dispose of pulled wisdom teeth.

I can just about bring myself to imagine that there are facilities that would put an aborted fetus into the trash. But I struggle mightily to imagine a priest rummaging through the black plastic bags in back, just hoping to get "lucky' and come across a fetus. Ghoulish doesn't begin to describe that.
 

samcraig

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While I find the mans actions to be disgraceful, abortion is one of those things people want, but don't want to know the details. If they could visualize it, they'd have a hard time supporting it.
I'm sure watching someone go through aversion therapy is very palatable too.