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Yebubbleman

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I apologize in advance if this question is dumb or has otherwise been beaten to death in another discussion before.

Regarding the "Full Security" boot mode setting in the Secure Boot settings located in the Startup Security Utility on Intel Macs that have the T2 Chip (which I'm pretty sure is the default on all T2 based Intel Macs): I know that it will only allow for OSes currently signed by Apple (a la how it's done on iPadOS and iOS) or the OS that is currently installed. Does that mean that, once macOS Monterey is out and whatever the last release of macOS Big Sur ends up being is no longer being signed by Apple, I won't be able to wipe a Mac that currently has macOS Big Sur and reinstall it and/or run an "Install macOS Big Sur" .app to do an erase and install? I get the feeling that it does. But I'm also not 100% sure on where the line gets drawn. Obviously, if I want to use a bootable drive; I'm already having to modify settings in Startup Security from their default.

The practical application for this which prompts my question: I work at an all Mac business and the goal is to bring all Big Sur capable Macs to Big Sur. However we are not wanting to deploy macOS Monterey until it matures a bit. But we have a sizable T2 Mac population and, for the sake of security (also the desire to not have to go to each and every T2 Mac in the company [at least 100 systems scattered throughout the globe] and get into the Startup Security Utility to weaken its settings), I don't want to have to weaken its settings in order to get macOS Big Sur installed. Given that, I'm guessing that, if I want to up those T2 Macs to Big Sur without changing the default startup security settings on each T2 Mac, I'll need to make sure I upgrade all of them before the fall. Am I correct about this? If so, it's gonna be a fun rest of the summer...
 
Can't really answer your question, but I can tell you this. My 2019 NcMP came with OS 10.15.4 (Catalina). I have ten internal SSDs and five of them are bootable with OSs. One of them is the OEM SSD which I hadn't touched until recently, when it wouldn't boot any longer. I upgraded the OEM SSD to OS11.4 (Big Sur) and it booted fine. I have a feeling that it's not the T2, but that later OSs (12.0 - Monterey) modified the firmware and that prevented the Mac from booting.

BTW, I turned the StartUp Utility to "No Security"

Lou
 
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Can't really answer your question, but I can tell you this. My 2019 NcMP came with OS 10.15.4 (Catalina). I have ten internal SSDs and five of them are bootable with OSs. One of them is the OEM SSD which I hadn't touched until recently, when it wouldn't boot any longer. I upgraded the OEM SSD to OS11.4 (Big Sur) and it booted fine. I have a feeling that it's not the T2, but that later OSs (12.0 - Monterey) modified the firmware and that prevented the Mac from booting.

BTW, I turned the StartUp Utility to "No Security"

Lou

Let me get this straight. You installed the Monterey beta on an SSD (presumably not the OEM T2-based one), which then made it so that you couldn't boot your original 10.15.4 drive? Or did it make it so that you couldn't boot anything older than Monterey? And this was after flipping the Startup Security Utility to "No Security"?

The T2's implementation of this seems messy and ultimately more prohibitive than the Apple Silicon implementation. Also problematic for businesses that have to stay behind on an older release for at least a little while, but otherwise can't support a reinstallation of the OS they're staying behind on.
 
^^^^I keep four SSDs with bootable OSs in my system. Two (main drive and backup) have the current OS two have the previous OS. So, currently running Monterey (Beta 3) and Big Sure (11.5). I can boot with either OS. The OEM with the original factory OS wouldn't boot any longer after the Monterey install. I updated it to 11.4 and now it boots fine.

I am not a fan of the T2 chip👎

Lou
 
I'm with Lou above (reply 2).

The VERY FIRST THING I do (when setting up a version of the OS that contains the "security settings" app) is boot to recovery mode and DISABLE all of the security settings.

I want the LOWEST security level possible.

I WANT my Macs to be "relatively easy to get into".

My opinion only.
Others may disagree.
Some may disagree vehemently.
 
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