A question about a second monitor

Wildcat

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Ok I have a G4 400 ( agp sawtooth ). On my G4 I am using a 19" Mitsubishi 900u CTR monitor. I also have a 19" Optiquest sitting around. Since it is just sitting around here gathering dust I was wondering how I would go about hooking up a second display. Should I buy a pci card? Or should I invest in a new agp card that has a twin view feature? Or should I just scrap the whole idea and and try and sell the Optiquest? Ohh yeah if you have any idea how much any of this would cost it would help. Thanks
 

Nipsy

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You can get a Radeon 7000 PCI for about $100, which is plenty for all but hard core gaming.

If you do alot of gaming, look at replacing your AGP card. Bear in mind that a 64mb AGP (or PCI) card driving two monitors, functions as 2 32mb cards
 

Beej

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I would have said exactly the same thing as Nipsy. You need to take into account things like the number of PCI slots you have left, you probably won't want to fill your last slot if you can avoid it.
 

arn

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Re: A question about a second monitor

Originally posted by Wildcat
Ok I have a G4 400 ( agp sawtooth ). On my G4 I am using a 19" Mitsubishi 900u CTR monitor. I also have a 19" Optiquest sitting around. Since it is just sitting around here gathering dust I was wondering how I would go about hooking up a second display. Should I buy a pci card?
Run, do not walk, and pick up a second card...

once you have two monitors, you'll not go back.

It's a bigger jump than from 13" -> 17"

arn
 

Nipsy

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I would spend the hundred bucks and get a Radeon 7000. The Rage cards usually go for about $80-100 anyway, and the 7000 has more current support from ATI, as well as double the memory.

I feel fairly quailified to make these recommendations, as I just sold my PCI Rage 128 on eBay (for a whopping $112), and used $107 of it to buy a new PCI Radeon 7000.
 

3rdpath

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two monitors and all that desktop space......oh it makes life sweet. i picked up a cheepie ixmicro pci card from other world computing ( $44.00) a year ago and it rocks. i don't do games or graphics on it-just audio- so it's performance ( or lack of...) wasn't a big deal. they still have them in stock if you're interested.

do it! do it now!



:D
 

Nipsy

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Re: Re: A question about a second monitor

Originally posted by arn


Run, do not walk, and pick up a second card...

once you have two monitors, you'll not go back.

It's a bigger jump than from 13" -> 17"

arn
I have been a firm believer in the two monitors school of thought since I first did it on a IIci many moons ago.

I currently use three at my desk, so that I can have one 'dead ahead'.

The extra real estate is a GODSEND. What everyone else is saying is true, once you go multi-headed, it is impossible to go back!
 

Beej

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I'd love a dual monitor set up. I have everything but a second monitor (well, I have a 14", but I don't think that counts as a monitor any more, I think it's just an antique ;)). Problem is, I just don't have the space, and I can't justify the price of an LCD.

Time for a bigger desk, methinks. But that means a bigger room. And that means a new house. And that is prohibitively expensive for a Uni student... :)
 

3rdpath

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3 monitors!

now THATS sweet! i may do that after my next system upgrade( don't have the pci slots now). so much of my work has the visuals delivered as QT movies and i'm really tired of making it a smidge of a picture up in the corner of one of the screens.

oh great, now i have monitor envy:D
 

Rower_CPU

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Re: Re: Re: A question about a second monitor

Originally posted by Nipsy
I have been a firm believer in the two monitors school of thought since I first did it on a IIci many moons ago.

I currently use three at my desk, so that I can have one 'dead ahead'.

The extra real estate is a GODSEND. What everyone else is saying is true, once you go multi-headed, it is impossible to go back!
Just curious about your triple setup. Do you have a dual card and then a second PCI card? Does OS X recognize everything no problem with no extra hassle?

I'd really like to do this, but I've never heard details on how it's done. Thanks!
 

Nipsy

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Re: Re: Re: Re: A question about a second monitor

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Just curious about your triple setup. Do you have a dual card and then a second PCI card? Does OS X recognize everything no problem with no extra hassle?

I'd really like to do this, but I've never heard details on how it's done. Thanks!
I've got a stock Apple Radeon 7500 driving my primary, and a Radeon 7000 driving the other two (with the DVI - VGA adapter provided by ATI in the 7000's retail box). Once for ****s & giggles, I filled all slots with video cards, and hooked up all my displays, and managed to get a 7 headed monster setup. X handled it fine, but some of the cards were unaccellerated, so things were slow. The only roblem I have noticed is that one display of the 7000 (a Nanao 20") is not properly passing DDC info, so from a cold boot, it tries to lock to 640x480. I rarely cold boot, but when I do, I switch my KVM so the machine doesn't request DDC from the montior, and all is well.

I also used this setup in 9 on my old 9600, and it worked smoothly with three PCI cards as well.
 

Nipsy

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Re: 3 monitors!

Originally posted by 3rdpath
now THATS sweet! i may do that after my next system upgrade( don't have the pci slots now). so much of my work has the visuals delivered as QT movies and i'm really tired of making it a smidge of a picture up in the corner of one of the screens.

oh great, now i have monitor envy:D
For less than the cost of one Cinema display, I have an 18'1 LCD, a Nanao 20", An Apple 15" LCD (old school), and the video cards to drive them all.

I can use the 15" to test layouts, while coding on the 18", and watching my palettes, terminal, console, email, IRC, and a movie on the 20".

There's a thread around here somewhere with a photo of my desk (with my old 17" CRT), which may help you visualize what I'm talking about.
 

Rower_CPU

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A question about a second monitor

Originally posted by Nipsy
I've got a stock Apple Radeon 7500 driving my primary, and a Radeon 7000 driving the other two (with the DVI - VGA adapter provided by ATI in the 7000's retail box). Once for ****s & giggles, I filled all slots with video cards, and hooked up all my displays, and managed to get a 7 headed monster setup. X handled it fine, but some of the cards were unaccellerated, so things were slow. The only roblem I have noticed is that one display of the 7000 (a Nanao 20") is not properly passing DDC info, so from a cold boot, it tries to lock to 640x480. I rarely cold boot, but when I do, I switch my KVM so the machine doesn't request DDC from the montior, and all is well.

I also used this setup in 9 on my old 9600, and it worked smoothly with three PCI cards as well.
Excellent! So you mean 9 and X both will show 3, 4, etc displays in the Control Panel/System Preferences and allow you to arrange them all individually, set individual resolutions and color depths...wow!!

Just when I thought I knew everything about Macs, they come up with something else to knock my socks off!
 

Beej

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A question about a second monitor

Originally posted by Nipsy
Once for ****s & giggles, I filled all slots with video cards, and hooked up all my displays, and managed to get a 7 headed monster setup.
Dude, that's sensational! I feel inadequate with only one monitor now :(
 

Nipsy

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A question about a second monitor

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Excellent! So you mean 9 and X both will show 3, 4, etc displays in the Control Panel/System Preferences ...
I've only tried three in 9, although max possible is twelve (6 dual capable PCI) in a 9600.

In modern hardware, I would assume X could handle 10, 2 off an AGP card, and 8 off 4 PCI cards.

I can say that three is very usable for me, and four is too many.

Heres a link to that thread I mentioned with a shot of my setup:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1836/&perpage=40&pagenumber=2

Mine's about halfway down the page, with the Grand Prix poster. This is the old Setup, 9600 running X with 3 heads.

Now it's a QS, with a 20" where the 17" used to be.
 

Wildcat

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So now that I know I am going to use my second monitor Is there an significant advantage to using a seperate card for each monitor. Or Is using a twin view card good enough?
 

Rower_CPU

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Twin cards should be just fine for almost anything you need to do, plus they don't take up an extra PCI slot.

The GeForce 4 Ti in the latest PowerMacs is a twin card and it has the best 3D performance around these days.
 

Wildcat

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I am limited by my agp speed. My G4 400 only has an AGP 2X so the cards I am looking at are the Radeon 8500 AGP and a Radeon 7000 PCI. Plus the Radeon 7000 Is only like $115.00
 
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