A question about "birthright citizenship"

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    Does that mean illegals who come here to make babies, folks like your parents who are here legally, both, or neither?

    I presume it means children of illegals don't get to be legals "just because they landed on Plymouth Sidewalk" or anything.
     
  2. shinji macrumors 65816

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    It means anyone born in the United States is a citizen, whether the parents are here legally or not.
     
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    Correct. Not only that, an illegal Bosnian war criminal who gives birth over China in a U.S. flagged airliner bound for Honolulu will squeeze out an American citizen.
     
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    doing an autobiography?
     
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    Why not? Obama wrote two autobiographies before he was forty years old. Talk about being in love with yourself.
     
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    All men are guilty. They are born innocent, but it doesn't last.
     
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    ...And it shouldn't be changed.
     
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    Nor will it. It would require a Constitutional amendment which isn't going to happen.
     
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    We have amended the Constitution before, but I don't think the 14th amendment in in any danger of being overturned by 35 states.
     
  10. jerwin macrumors 65816

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    Yeah. if you want a legally recognized underclass, you're going to have to work for it.
     
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    Prior to 1965, parents of children born in the US did not have any special rights to become citizens. That changed in 1965 and they became a special immigration class with a fast track to citizenship...
     
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    Doesn't help people who are here without a legal status, you can't become a citizen if you are here illegally.
     
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    The 14th Amendment was added in 1868, Witt.
     
  14. thewitt macrumors 68020

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    I'm not talking about the 14th Amendment...but then again I don't expect you to understand.
     
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    Hey, I'm not on your ignore list after all!
     
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    Nice, neutral, non-racist formulation here...:rolleyes:
     
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    Look, it's the political correctnesses police.
     
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    A vile term, rooted in hatred, or bigotry.
     
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    is this true? when wife was 6-7 months in we went to the US to buy baby stuff, so if we stayed there for 3 months (perfectly OK as they usually give that on your passport) my kid could be american?
     
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    Have to be born( as legally defined ) on US soil( as legally defined ).
     
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    That is correct.
     
  24. cdcastillo macrumors 6502a

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    It depends on which country you are talking about.

    In the USA, if you are born within its borders, without regard to who your parents are or their immigration status (citizens, tourists, illegal immigrants), you are a citizen. In others, e.g., Spain, the blood line is what matters, not where you were born; this means you have to be born of Spanish parents to gain Spanish citizenship, no matter where in the world you were born. Other countries, like México, give you citizenship on both cases, that is, if one of your parents is Mexican, you are Mexican since birth, no matter where you were born; and if you were born in México, you are Mexican without regard to your parents nationality (this is the case, for example, of Lupita Nyongo and Louis C.K.).

    Yet other countries put special conditions for citizenship, like Bolivia, which does not grant you citizenship status until you are inscribed in an official civil register. This gives place to special situations, like when a child is born of Bolivian parents lets say in Spain, is not inscribed on the civil register, and therefore has no nationality (Spain does not grant it for territoriality, Bolivia does not grant it until you are inscribed in the official record IN Bolivia). By international accords promoted by UNESCO, EVERY child has a right to a nationality among other things, and the closest country which has subscribed this accords grants automatically citizenship to the child.

    Anyhow, there you go, it depends which country you are talking about. Remember there are many, and in all of them it is called the same, "citizenship".
     
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    and "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" as legally defined. But that essentially excludes diplomats.
     

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