A snowflake tantrum too far? Cambridge students reject Remembrance Day as ‘glorifying war’.

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  1. Falhófnir macrumors 68040

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    Usually there are two sides to every story but, genuinely, here I cannot see where they are coming from. These remembrance ceremonies are there to pay respect to the poor innocent tommies who lost their lives fighting - through no fault of their own. They are very much the victims here, they didn’t want to be torn from home and sent off to the front lines to be mown down by machinegun fire. Perhaps bringing back national service would fix this issue, it can’t be healthy to be this emotionally fragile surely?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/educati...ar-sees-cambridge-university-students-reject/
     
  2. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Maybe the government/elite should give more money towards veterans if they really care.
     
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    What did you expect from the crazy-left? They HATE the armed forces, the USA and everything we stand for. Yawn. Nothing new here.
     
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    So of course do the right as they cut money for veterans.
     
  5. Falhófnir thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Absolutely!

    Don’t know about the US but on this side of the Atlantic Remembrance Day is generally respected - this is the first time I can remember open criticism/ a boycott mentality over it.
     
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    I was staying at my mother's house in southern England earlier this summer. And one day a postcard came through the letterbox asking for money from some organization in support of a commemoration of World War I. The exact text of the headline escapes me, but it went along the lines of:

    "A Century ago, millions of British soldiers made a great sacrifice. Thank them by sending us some money."

    Which struck me as absolute ********. Every one of the people who actually made the sacrifice is dead. And while we could probably debate the causes of the First World War indefinitely, I'm pretty sure that people who are alive today aren't to blame for them. Why should a 30-something living in Munich or Manchester feel guilty about German military aggression or British Colonialism?

    In Britain especially there seems to be an almost obsession with Commemorations of the First and Second World Wars.

    And it's time to move on.

    As an enthusiastic amateur historian I am acutely aware of the sacrifice of British (and German, French, Belgian, Serbian, Italian, Montnegran, Turkish, Indian, etc. etc. etc.) soldiers during WWI. Most of those countries maintain elaborate cemeteries where the dead of those conflicts are buried. For much of the 20th century the Governments of those countries paid out pensions and benefits to support the survivors and veterans of those wars. We have monuments and museums. History books and History Channel retrospectives up the ying-yang.

    I say that in 2018 it's time to leave World War One to the history books. Study it in school. Learn the lessons from it.

    But its time for people to stop this ritual maudlin glorification of a stupid, probably needless exercise in industrialized mass murder.
     
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    The US is worse; here they have completely fetishised the military.
     
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    Fetishized? Do people masturbate to the military or something? Love it or hate it - the world was built on military power and action. Thats how it works. Our nation and its defense requires a strong military. No way around it. I understand that we spend too much money on it..... that can be debated if ya like but its neccessary for the survival of the country.
     
  9. zorinlynx macrumors 603

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    I'm about as liberal as you can get, and this disgusts me.

    People fought in those wars so we can have the freedoms and rights we have today. Remembrance Day, Veterans Day, etc. are absolutely essential holidays. They don't glorify war; if anything they remind us of the costs of war and why we should avoid it at all costs.

    I very rarely use the term snowflake but I think it definitely applies to whoever started this bull.

    Most liberals hate *unnecessary* war. WWII was an example of a very necessary war; we had a madman trying to take over the world.
     
  10. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Once again - a few people doesn't equate to the entire left/liberal mentality. People need to stop conflating issues. Also, the term snowflake is grossly over used. It's lost all meaning.

    I don't agree with the students.
     
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    If we actually celebrated those thing they way they were intended I'd agree but most people don't even have those days off let alone celebrate.

    I don't know how it is in the UK but in the States we pay a lot of lip service to veterans and survivors but not much else. People thank me for my service, give me a few percentage points discount, and think of a 1000 reasons I shouldn't get a job they have open. One of the big reasons I stayed a part of the military when I got out is because within the community there's no BS most of us served and those that haven't are spouses it's rare to meet a true civilian IME.
     
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    But the madman didn't rise to power all on his own without substantial support from various sectors. So it's questionable how necessary WW II was.
     
  13. Chew Toy McCoy macrumors regular

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    I have a compromise. Rename it Cannon Fodder For The Rich Day. That way you can remember those who died and why. Everybody wins.
    --- Post Merged, Oct 12, 2018 ---
    Hitler was an unpopular buffoon in an economically recovering Germany shortly before the US turned their stock market into a casino causing the great depression and the US banks demanded all their money back from Germany crushing their economy. Suddenly Hitler’s warnings became fact. So I agree, the US was a major contributing sector to Hitler’s otherwise unlikely fast track to power.
     
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    Interesting response; I think what bothers me the most is there is not a single decade since the founding of the US that it hasn't been involved in an armed conflict.
     
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    Trouble finding it outside a paywall and sane press. There was a motion to encourage it. Then some bun fight on what to should be from a demilitarising group. Student unions are good at this. Ignore them. Sooner or later they will be your bank manager or MP and grow up.

    I shall continue to remember the people that served and gave all on the 11th as I always have. I expect the numbers in the UK will far outweigh a union by many millions, there is no law forcing them to do so and long may there be no law forcing them.

    The last war is still in living memory, the 1st is still in family memory.
     
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    Did you even read the article? This has nothing to do with the US.
     
  17. Chew Toy McCoy macrumors regular

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    Until the cost of the military destroys our economy like it did the roman empire.
     
  18. bradl, Oct 12, 2018
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    Shot from the hip here and didn't even bother to read the article, n'est-ce pas?

    This is occurring at Cambridge Uni, in the UK.

    And your statement about the left and not liking the armed forces is so hilarious that I won't even go into trying to arguing or debating that, because you're just flat out wrong.

    But I will say that perhaps instead of opening the mouth and praying that the esophagus can safely handle the foot that is soon to be swallowed, one should read the article and premise of the thread before responding to it. Otherwise, it makes that person appear to be completely ignorant of the issue.

    BL.
     
  19. appleisking macrumors 6502a

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    Please Medicare and social security will destroy our economy well before that happens.
     
  20. Chew Toy McCoy macrumors regular

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    No.
     
  21. appleisking macrumors 6502a

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    They literally take up over half our budget.
     
  22. Chew Toy McCoy macrumors regular

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    Both of us can find pie charts on the internet to support our opposing narratives.
     
  23. bradl macrumors 68040

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    However, that is a bold statement, so let's call this one out. Source for that MediCare and SS take up over half our budget, please.

    BL.
     
  24. NT1440, Oct 12, 2018
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    *takes a look around at the culture, infrastructure, and governance of the country*

    For anyone with even an inkling of how empires throughout history behave as they collapse it’s amazing how on track we are without our citizens having the faintest clue of how it explains America in 2018.

    All of this stems of course from the concerted effort in modern US history to absolutely mask the fact that this is an empire, the only in world history to not embrace the term itself.
     
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    A link would be appreciated.
     

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