A Wretched Start for Democrats

Rogifan

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In this week’s Democratic debates, it wasn’t just individual candidates who presented themselves to the public. It was also the party itself. What conclusions should ordinary people draw about what Democrats stand for, other than a thunderous repudiation of Donald Trump, and how they see America, other than as a land of unscrupulous profiteers and hapless victims?

Here’s what: a party that makes too many Americans feel like strangers in their own country. A party that puts more of its faith, and invests most of its efforts, in them instead of us.

They speak Spanish. We don’t. They are not U.S. citizens or legal residents. We are. They broke the rules to get into this country. We didn’t. They pay few or no taxes. We already pay most of those taxes. They willingly got themselves into debt. We’re asked to write it off. They don’t pay the premiums for private health insurance. We’re supposed to give up ours in exchange for some V.A.-type nightmare. They didn’t start enterprises that create employment and drive innovation. We’re expected to join the candidates in demonizing the job-creators, breaking up their businesses and taxing them to the hilt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/opinion/democrats-debate-2020.html

This editorial is spot on. If Democrats want to beat Trump this isn’t the way to do it.
 

appleisking

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Indeed, I believe the only way democrats could win is if there's an economic downturn. No incumbent in recent history hasn't been reelected except during poor economic times.
 

RichardMZhlubb

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In this week’s Democratic debates, it wasn’t just individual candidates who presented themselves to the public. It was also the party itself. What conclusions should ordinary people draw about what Democrats stand for, other than a thunderous repudiation of Donald Trump, and how they see America, other than as a land of unscrupulous profiteers and hapless victims?

Here’s what: a party that makes too many Americans feel like strangers in their own country. A party that puts more of its faith, and invests most of its efforts, in them instead of us.

They speak Spanish. We don’t. They are not U.S. citizens or legal residents. We are. They broke the rules to get into this country. We didn’t. They pay few or no taxes. We already pay most of those taxes. They willingly got themselves into debt. We’re asked to write it off. They don’t pay the premiums for private health insurance. We’re supposed to give up ours in exchange for some V.A.-type nightmare. They didn’t start enterprises that create employment and drive innovation. We’re expected to join the candidates in demonizing the job-creators, breaking up their businesses and taxing them to the hilt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/opinion/democrats-debate-2020.html

This editorial is spot on. If Democrats want to beat Trump this isn’t the way to do it.
The last things Democrats should do is take advice from Bret Stephens.
 

Huntn

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In this week’s Democratic debates, it wasn’t just individual candidates who presented themselves to the public. It was also the party itself. What conclusions should ordinary people draw about what Democrats stand for, other than a thunderous repudiation of Donald Trump, and how they see America, other than as a land of unscrupulous profiteers and hapless victims?

Here’s what: a party that makes too many Americans feel like strangers in their own country. A party that puts more of its faith, and invests most of its efforts, in them instead of us.

They speak Spanish. We don’t. They are not U.S. citizens or legal residents. We are. They broke the rules to get into this country. We didn’t. They pay few or no taxes. We already pay most of those taxes. They willingly got themselves into debt. We’re asked to write it off. They don’t pay the premiums for private health insurance. We’re supposed to give up ours in exchange for some V.A.-type nightmare. They didn’t start enterprises that create employment and drive innovation. We’re expected to join the candidates in demonizing the job-creators, breaking up their businesses and taxing them to the hilt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/opinion/democrats-debate-2020.html

This editorial is spot on. If Democrats want to beat Trump this isn’t the way to do it.
So the narrative begins, you can’t trust Democrats to do the job. Yeah Republicans just love irrational, lying big bull ****ers to blow smoke, you know where. They’ve already got their ideal candidate. I don’t think you are going to see Dems emulate him and I predict he will be beaten, as I don't think we have a National Death Wish.

Btw this editorial is a crock. Was whoever wrote it high or just making a case why Trump is best? Illegals don’t pay any taxes, and because of that we do? The poor don’t pay any taxes legal or not, while the job exporters are overlooked, and the wealthy have Congressmen in their pockets and get their own welfare. Illegals don’t have health insurance.

And the government historically has had GREAT healthcare coverage, ask the Congressmen. If the VA is ****ed up you can thank an endless state of war, and a Republican Congress who is tryin to skimp on their bills so their rich friends can pay less taxes, with a big **** You to veterans who end up as basket cases, broken marriages, and families, a high rate of offing themselves, because human beings are not designed to do this (continuous war) for a career.
 

Rogifan

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Hilary Clinton is a centerist. She was on Walmart’s board and gave speeches to big banks.

I suppose you could say she was centre-right.
Sorry there was nothing centrist about the positions Clinton held or the policies she proposed. Just because she took money from big corporations doesn’t mean she was center anything.
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So the narrative begins, you can’t trust Democrats to do the job. Yeah Republicans just love irrational, lying big bull ****ers to blow smoke, you know where. They’ve already got their ideal candidate. I don’t think you are going to see Dems emulate him and I predict he will be beaten, as I don't think we have a National Death Wish.

Btw this editorial is a crock. Was whoever wrote it high or just making a case why Trump is best? Illegals don’t pay any taxes, and because of that we do? The poor don’t pay any taxes legal or not, while the job exporters are overlooked, and the wealthy have Congressmen in their pockets and get their own welfare. Illegals don’t have health insurance.

And the government historically has had GREAT healthcare coverage, ask the Congressmen. If the VA is ****ed up you can thank an endless state of war, and a Republican Congress who is tryin to skimp on their bills so their rich friends can pay less taxes, with a big **** You to veterans who end up as basket cases, broken marriages, and families, a high rate of offing themselves, because human beings are not designed to do this (continuous war) for a career.
The purpose of this editorial was to point out how the message on that debate stage isn’t going to play well with most Americans. Trump will have a field day running on free healthcare for illegals and paying off college tuition for upper middle class white kids. And raising taxes on Wall Street to pay for some of this? That will hit every middle class American with a 401-K. Good luck selling that. A moderate Democrat could beat Trump. A far left progressive who cares more about illegals and LGBTQ than middle America will lose. Bank on it.
 

jerwin

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Mr Hitler is a dangerous man. He must be beaten. But at least he has a plan to answer the Judenfrage.
 

bambooshots

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If what I've seen is their offerings, Trump will win again - easily......
The Democrats are fragmented and there’s plenty of infighting. Muting Yang’s the the other candidate’s mics? Yeah. It was a circus up there.

Due to the level of idiocy displayed at the first debate, many who would have voted Democrat have began to rethink their position.

Trump could sweep the 2020 election with both the Electoral and popular vote.
 

ChrisWB

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It's clear that Trump's supporters feel alarmed that their chosen sovereign is trailing behind Democratic candidates in all polls.

Fox News: How much do polls showing Dems trouncing Trump really mean?
Fox News Poll: Trump trails all major Democratic Candidates.

Fox News said:
The pundits are agog over a new Quinnipiac University survey that shows Joe Biden clobbering Trump, 53 to 40 percent.

Not only that, but other Democrats beat Trump by lesser margins: Bernie Sanders (51 to 42 percent). Kamala Harris (49 to 41). Elizabeth Warren (49 to 42). Pete Buttigieg (47 to 42). Cory Booker (47 to 42).
Even Rasmussen, a heavily biased conservative polling outlet, puts Trump's current "strongly approve" rating at 37% as of Friday.

Trump hired his own pollsters, then fired them when they reported that he was trailing his competitors.

Pathetic.
 

Zenithal

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People like Yang of Buttigieg don't have a chance anyway. Even far from his race, Yang's issue will be his socialist ideas. You'd argue Bernie's doing good but Bernie built a name for himself, thought I couldn't see him winning against Trump.