ABC Invents Fact Check Story About Romney Lying - Contridicts Self

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  1. ThisIsNotMe macrumors 68000

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    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...loans-had-been-steered-to-friends-and-family/

    Jake Tapper starts out
    Funny. At the end of the article

    Pretty sure that is exactly what Romney was implying with his comments.

    Pretty laughable attempt at trying to distract the American people from the jobs report especially when that attempted distraction contradicts itself.
     
  2. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/05/romneys-grotesque-solyndra-hypocrisy.html
     
  3. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    So why did he use the words, "friends and family"?

    Why not just say "donors"?

    Sounds like it was 2/3rds of a lie.
     
  4. thewitt macrumors 68020

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    And he's too tall and his hair is too long too. What a liar. You can tell by the way he stands. Obama's family didn't benefit. Those rich republicans are just women haters.
     
  5. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    Yeah, that's the problem with these "Fact Check" articles, you can choose what parts to focus on. Clearly, Romney's implication of "friends and family" was incorrect. The Solyndra program helped donors and bundlers, which is a different kind of corruption that happens to be pervasive and typical throughout local, state and federal government contracts if we're honest.

    That doesn't mean that Solyndra wasn't a disaster, but Romney (as usual) is taking a bat to Obama, but missing the larger and more important story. The US economy got outmaneuvered by China, who understands that this is high-stakes poker; we're playing bridge and bickering with our partner.
     
  6. Sedulous macrumors 68000

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    Evidence is a drag. Might as well invent your own reality, right?
     
  7. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    See, the problem is, you're one of the few people paying attention to the Solyndra/donor/China story. For 90% of the population, Romney can abuse the right of free speech and twist the story almost any way he wants, without consequences.

    You can't talk about ABC contradicting itself when they didn't. You simply focused on the part of the story you wanted to, and you equated donors with family members. ABC's report clearly separates the two, and you make them sound like the same thing.

    Read this quote again, this time with emphasis on the part that confirms, not contradicts, the ABC story:

    The only part of Romney's statement that he got right was the part about campaign contributors. And as hulugu notes, though that stinks, it's hardly an Obama game. Everybody plays it.
     
  8. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    What bothers me more than anything else about Romney is how he lies about virtually everything with impunity and when called out, continues to lie.
     
  9. jackc macrumors 65816

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    Politicians reward donors -- Democrats, Republicans, they're all the same. Surely it's not that much of a stretch to call at least some of them friends. They probably hang out at fundraising dinners, drinking and laughing all the way to the bank.

    If there's no family involved in this case, then that part was a lie.
     
  10. dime21 macrumors 6502

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    Hmm you mean like Obama does about the economy? Notice how when Obama speaks about the economy, he uses phrases like "we need to get the country back on track" and "we need to get the people working again" as if someone other than himself has been president for the past 3 1/2 years. Lol. Um, hey Obama, here's an idea: Take responsibility for your own failed policies!

    And lets not forget his allegations of a "Republican war on women", when six weeks ago we found out that Obama's own female staffers in the White House earn almost 20% less than the male staffers. Lol.

    Solyndra, Nuclear Iran, Chinese hackers, Economy in the toilet, Unemployment keeps climbing, Fast-n-Furious scandal, Record multi $Trillion federal debt and record budget deficit, people are going to have a lot of things on their minds this November.

    Lets face it, the economy is in poor shape and the lefties are in a panic. Their economic policies did not work. The President faces defeat. No wonder the nonsense and personal attacks against Romney are heating up.
     
  11. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    Did I miss where your reply had anything to do with my post?
     
  12. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I think he uses the term "we" because he's the president, not the dictator, and has to work with congress to get his policies passed.

    When you have a Republican party who's stated goal is to make him a one-term president and forces super-majority votes to get legislation passed, then it's hard for me to understand how you place the blame solely at Obama's feet.

    Well ... I take that back.

    It's not hard for me to understand because you are Republican, at least in spirit if not in outright party affiliation. You likewise are only interested in his failure. Your analysis of Obama's performance is utterly distorted by your politics and your hatred for him.

    That's why your opinion has so little value here.
     
  13. iJohnHenry macrumors P6

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    No, just likes you. :eek:

    That, and it a passive, and cheating, way to tag you with what he posts.

    Not particularly clever, or new.
     
  14. Huntn macrumors G5

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    Let the lying begin.... wait it all ready has.
     
  15. ThisIsNotMe thread starter macrumors 68000

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    So someone who uses their private time to gather their friends and bundle extremely large sums of money for the Obama campaign isn't a "friend"?
     
  16. citizenzen, Jun 2, 2012
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    You defined the word "friend" by including the word "friend" as a condition of being a friend.

    There's probably a term for that kind of fallacy.

    However, if someone is your friend, then I guess it's safe to say they are your friend.

    Good call.

    :rolleyes:
     
  17. localoid macrumors 68020

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    Why? Because "friends and family" sounds more warm and fuzzy.

    Sure, there are "friends", but then there are "friends" of the "nudge nudge, wink wink" kind. Every political hack worth their salt knows that the latter is (1) the best kind of "friend" to funnel money into, to get the things you want done, done and (2) the best kind of "friend" to receive money from, to get the things you want done, done.

    For example, consider the "Friends of Coal" group and then think about the strange urge to become a friend of a rock. What sort of perverted motivation could possibly foster such an unnatural desire, other than of course, the quest for money and/or power?
     
  18. NickZac macrumors 68000

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    Perhaps it was a lie or perhaps it was ignorance...but one thing is for sure and that is his claims are not true, and that says something about credibility. Furthermore, Romney (while governor), like the Obama administration, has given loans to a variety of businesses with some wins and some losses, including losses in the energy industry.
     
  19. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    Friends and family is often used in business for people other than close friends and family that you would traditionally think of. Ie Obama's direct family.
     
  20. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    Exactly. Romney is playing a rhetorical trick by insinuating that Obama did something unusual and even criminal, when it was the same old hat politics that Romney himself engaged in when he was governor.

    The problem with these stories is a structure of objectivity when often there are subjective qualities. However, I agree, Romney's playing hardball with the rhetoric.

    To me this illustrates how worthless he is, rather than argue the business case with sharp eyes, he just goes for the corruption angle. The Solyndra story was messy and illuminates serious problems in how the DoE handles money, but we saw worse cases during the Bush administration when Haliburton made billions on shoddy work that literally killed US soldiers. If Romney made the same point about Cheney he would be worth a damn, but he didn't because it's all the same politics.

    So, you weren't impressed by dime's laundry list of things he blames the Obama administration for?

    I love that he blames Obama for the Chinese hacking and Fast and Furious, both problems that happened under the feckless Bush administration ignored for one and created for another.
     

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