Abortion & Conjoined Twins

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  1. guzhogi macrumors 68030

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    First off, let me say that I know this is a really strange idea. My mind's weird like that. :D

    I was just thinking about abortion and how some pro-abortion people say "It's the women's body and she should do whatever she wants with it." How many of you agree?

    That got me thinking, let's say one of a conjoined twin really wanted to be separated. That twin would be able live a fairly full, functional life, but the other twin would die or at least live a very poor life. Under the same logic as abortion and it being their body, should the twin that wants to be separated be allowed to get separated? If not, why not?

    To extend this further, let's say there were 2 female conjoined twins, two heads, one vagina. Let's say one really wanted to have a baby, the other didn't. How do they decide?
     
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    Sometimes they can be separated or one dies at birth.
     
  3. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Why not?

    Because it's the other conjoined twin's body as well.

    How do you separate (no pun intended) the desires and health of one twin from the other?

    Please bear in mind that their "personhood" is established and equal.

    It is not the same as a mother contemplating aborting a 12 week-old fetus.
     
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    What if it would kill the other twin for you to separate yourself?

    This is an interesting, and complicated question.
     
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    No. It's not complicated.

    One twin does not have the right to demand the death of the other twin.
     
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    Well I don't think you can make that claim, because if you do, you're saying the right to privacy is less stringent than the right to live, and in that case you would have to not support abortion.
     
  7. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Riiight.

    If only the Supreme Court had heard the "Conjoined Twin Argument" the history of abortion in America would be forever changed.

    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    Please bear in mind, the mother is given a very limited opportunity to abort her fetus, usually up to three months. After that period has passed and especially after the birth of a child, that child has attained personhood and is afforded the right to life, which cannot simply be taken from it by another person.

    The conjoined twins have both attained personhood. How could one supersede the other's right to life?

    As you are the PRSI member most vocally against "initiated force" please explain how robbing one conjoined twin would not qualify as such.
     
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    3 Months does not make or not make something alive (maybe in the eyes of the law, but that's irrelevant). That point is arbitrary. It's life at conception. But the right to privacy is more stringent than the right to life, at least if you advocate the legality of abortion. If you don't, than you can't possibly be for allowing women to have abortions.
     
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    The law is irrelevant?

    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:



    You're in fine form in this thread.

    It has the potential of being one of your best.
     
  10. Don't panic macrumors 603

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    that's your opinion, not a fact.
     
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    Ok then, why is it an opinion and not fact?
     
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    While you have a point that the case law surrounding Roe vs Wade is incredibly weak - and in my view it should be overturned - I'm not sure how the conjoined twin argument makes any difference.
     
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    Well I don't think the thread was about the law or Roe v. Wade, necessarily, but it's a discussion which is applicable to abortion, via that right to privacy.
     
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    because, as you know perfectly well, there is no consensus -scientific, moral, ethical- on when a human life begins. it's just your opinion.
     
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    Because at that point the baby cannot survive outside the mother.
     
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    So then you should be able to abort me at 35 years old

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    A baby can't survive outside of it's mother for quite awhile. You don't advocate infanticide do you?
     
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    Ahh but it has been deemed unconstitutional to ban abortion after 20 weeks.

    What about 20 weeks?
     
  18. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Source please.

    Thank you.



    And please note: I said "usually up to three months."
     
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    No, because that isn't within the range. The range could be most broadly stated as being between conception and something like 1 year old, with almost all Western people currently accepting the range is between conception and birth.

    Most cultures throughout history have had little issue with infanticide.
     
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    So that means that:

    Is demonstrably incorrect.

    So do you support it, as an advocate of abortion? I certainly do, because I like having a consistent position.
     
  21. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I actually haven't heard you position on the OP.

    Do you believe one twin has the right to separate, thereby killing the other twin?
     
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    Idk. It's a very complicated issue.
     
  23. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    No. It's not.

    In past threads you've suggested that democracy is a form of force, since there isn't unanimous agreement of all parties.

    Well this is a tie vote.

    How do you reconcile this disagreement?
     
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    Lol. It's obviously a difficult issue. Unless of course if you are a pro-lifer, and in that case you would have a moral problem with the death of the other twin, and the death of a fetus connected to a mother, at the mother's will.

    Also worth considering, if the mother's life is in danger, but the fetus would live if she dies....
    Irrelevant to this thread. Let's discuss the topic, not the poster. Though, for the record I stated that government is a form of force, not democracy specifically.

    No idea.
     
  25. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    There is one way it won't end.

    It could not end with the one twin separating and thereby killing her other twin.

    Given that both twins are conscious and aware, that end is simply not going to happen.
     

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