After Paris attacks, Pope speaks out against insulting religions

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    Translation: People who insult religion don't come to church and fill my coffers.
     
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    But he also said not to use religion to cause violence. But he is right making fun of someones faith is the best way to bring out the worst in them.
     
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    Only for a minority of extremists. Sane people rank "mocking my religion" far lower than "harming my children" or "raping my wife."
     
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    I'm conflicted. I don't believe people should acquiesce under threat of violence, but at the same time, I think it's unwise to prod an angry bear for the simple sake of prodding it.

    I guess like anything, it all depends on the circumstances.
     
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    I think it goes without saying that Lot was insane then:

    Lot went out and closed the door behind him and prayed that they not do such wicked things, and offered them his virgin daughters, that had not "known" man, that they might know them instead, and do with as they pleased. ​

    And yet Christians and Muslims revere Lot as a righteous man of God. The insanity of it all is depressing.
     
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    He has his sacramental cialis for that.
     
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    Yea, Lot was banging his daughters. I'd like to get the Pope's opinion on that.
     
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    I think this is what the Pope meant to convey. just because you can, does not mean you should, or don't be surprised if it comes back to bite you in the rear.
     
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    In other words, self-censor because some Muslims might slaughter you and your co-workers.

    Charlie Hebdo knew that full well. They decided to put Free Speech principles above self-censorship in the name of religious bigotry.
     
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    in other words, free speech does not mean free from consequences. even unwarranted ones.
     
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    That's what many of us have said all along, that it's just a small minority of extremists who are committing these crimes. Thanks for agreeing with that.

    But this topic really comes down to a practical question, are you willing to risk your life, and possibly innocent lives of those around you, to publish that image? I personally wouldn't take that risk. I'd find some other way to express myself.

    And so am I letting the terrorists win? Yes. They win because now I won't draw Mohammed ... something I've never had a desire to draw in my life. If that will stop extremists from killing innocent people, I'll make that trade.

    [breathlessly awaits slippery slope]
     
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    Then they'll just move on to other demands. Paying ransoms and giving in to their demands only emboldens them to go further.
     
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    Slippery slope achieved.

    With each new demand the extremists would become further marginalized and (with any luck) isolated, identified and dealt with.
     
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    In some places you can get stabbed for making fun of someones shoes.
     
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    I know many of you will disagree with this but, as much as I'm saddened by what happened in Paris, I have to agree with the Pope. There are limits. Why is it entertaining for some people to insult and poke fun at other people's religions? I don't get it. It's utterly disrespectful. To merely insult a person for what they believe is shallow and inconsiderate and impolite. No religion should be made a mockery of. Freedom of speech and the freedom to insult religions are two completely different things and should not be combined. There are limits to freedom of speech in any society whether you like it or not. There's a boundary that should not be crossed.

    That being said, depicting a leader that billions of people admire in an immature and in the most offensive and disrespectful way possible is downright wrong. What was the foreseeable outcome? It provoked a group of extremists and drove them to murder. And what about the billions of peaceable Muslims? They are quietly upset, offended, and stricken with hurt by the insult of these pointless cartoons.

    I've learned from the Charlie Hebdo attack that freedom of speech is something to be valued and should not be abused. It comes with responsibilities and consequences. Freedom of speech does not give anyone the right to insult, offend, or denigrate people. We should really learn to respect people, religions, ideologies, beliefs ...
     
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    No, its about mutual respect. Just as one doesn't achieve peace through conflict, It is unreasonable to demand that others respect your way of life while being disrespectful to theirs. You reap what you sow.
     
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    I don't think any group (religious or otherwise) should be protected from criticism.

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    Hell no. Religion is not and never should be "exempt" from being questioned, ridiculed or lambasted. That's utterly ridiculous. I really don't care if the cartoon upsets Muslims. Tough. It's THEIR religion, not mine. If they don't want to draw pictures of Mohammed, then they don't have to. But It's not MY religion, and I do not have to be beholden to THEIR beliefs.
     
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    Yes, but we can criticize without being offensive.

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    OH yes, in a hand basket. :rolleyes:

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    No one has the right to NOT BE OFFENDED.
     
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    True, but murdering the class clown because he offends you is hardly acceptable behavior.

    Doing it in the name of religion does not legitimize it.
     

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