Air Force One 'photo op' fly-over scares New Yorkers

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  1. jaw04005 macrumors 601

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    "NEW YORK (WABC) -- A photo shoot involving an Air Force aircraft and two fighter jets led to hundreds of frightened calls from residents and workers in Lower Manhattan Monday.

    The Defense Department conducted the photo opportunity, which involved two F-16s escorting the plane, a Boeing 747, over Battery Park City and up the Hudson River.

    The large plane is the military version of the 747.

    "In coordination with the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the Presidential Airlift Group conducted a aerial photo mission in the New York City area on 27 Apr 2009. This mission, involving the VC-25 and an F-16, was conducted in conjunction with normally scheduled continuation training for assigned aircrew members. This mission was coordinated for the Upper New York Bay, south of the Holland Tunnel and in the Newark Bay north of the Staten Island Expressway between the hours of 1000L and 1030L."

    The maneuver, part of a photo op, was coordinated in advance with the FAA and state and local officials.

    The Defense Department "coordinated the flight with FAA," Peters said, "and we made the notifications to the city of New York, as well as the 311 and 911 centers, the NYPD, New Jersey State Police and various operations centers in the New York area."

    City officials were notified, but not the general public.

    Many frightened residents and workers in Lower Manhattan called authorities asking for information, and some buildings even self evacuated.

    The planes flew over Lower Manhattan and in the vicinity of the Statue of Liberty during the 30-minute flight, between 10 a.m. and 10:30 a.m."

    http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6782403
     
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  3. jaw04005 thread starter macrumors 601

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    Because it's a large commercial aircraft with a military escort flying somewhat low in restricted air space. 9/11 memories?

    I think the bigger question is why is the Defense Department holding "photo ops" for Air Force One, and how much did this "exercise" cost?
     
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    Apparently, it was a regularly scheduled training exercise for the crew, they just adjusted the altitude.
     
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    Okay, that's what I figured. Just would've maybe expected the article to explain that somewhat.
     
  6. michael.lauden macrumors 68020

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    who cares you're going to pay for it anyways - even if it isn't fair

    pilots gota learn to fly dude
     
  7. jaw04005 thread starter macrumors 601

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    Here's a better article:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=7439287&page=1

    My friend said everyone freaked out and they evacuated her building.
     
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    Okay, thanks.

    Interesting. I think this may have been a case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't". By not publicizing the event enough, they are accused of inciting fear among residents. But had they publicized it enough, there probably would've been complaints (perhaps even from the same people) of "exposing this maneuver to undue attention. i.e. if the terrorists are looking for an easy target, here's when and where to bring your RPGs". Perhaps a bit of an exaggeration but you get my drift.
     
  9. Brien macrumors 68020

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    ^ Probably. That said, they could've given better notice to residents.
     
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    Techincally, it's not Air Force One unless the President is on board.

    As for how much it costs... I remember seeing a Nova special about Air Force One. They said it costs an upwards of one million clams each time it takes off.:eek::eek::eek: That was a few years back. Factor inflation and you'll see why the Government is broke.:rolleyes:
     
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    You have to remember that number factors in everything ... from the White House Communications Agency guys moving to where the Pres is going to Secret Service, food, fuel, security, transport of the motorcade, duplicate 747, fighters and fuel, etc ...

    It doesn't factor in just the cost of that one 747.
     
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    Stop trying to mislead us by calling it Air Force One. McCain lost, get over it.:rolleyes:
     
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    What does this have to do with McCain???
     
  14. jaw04005 thread starter macrumors 601

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    Who mentioned McCain? :rolleyes:

    It's an Air Force One aircraft painted with the seal of the President. What else are you supposed to call it? I guess you can be technical and call it a "White House 747 aircraft that's used as Air Force One" like CNN. However, that's not going to fit in the title.

    Anyway, the White House Military Office apologized a few hours ago. Mayor Bloomberg is not happy though.

    Apparently, it got down to 150 feet above the skyline and was circling around. I could see where it would be scary.

    I still don't understand why the Defense Department wanted a photo op of Air Force One with Manhatten's skyline.

    Are they making a scrapbook? :D

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/27/low.flying.plane/index.html
     
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    Sounds a bit like the sort of thing our crappy royal family get up to, visiting friends in Air Force helicopters and the like.

    Where were Obama's daughters when this was happening? I think we should be told ;)
     
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    I know you're repeating what somebody else has said, rather than stating it yourself as such, but still - 150 feet above the skyline?

    It would make one helluva photo if true.
     
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    Well, that's what ABC news said. Looks pretty close.
     

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    When I was living in Wichita KS about 20 years ago one of the bombers from McConnell AFB did a flyover of the downtown area on the 4th of July. It SEEMED like it was only 50 feet above us, though no doubt is was higher. This was YEARS before 9-11, and we knew the flyover was scheduled, yet it was scary! :eek:

    I can understand why NYers were concerned ...
     
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    Give me a new version of Photoshop and I will put the plane into the NYC skyline for a whole lot less than the cost of jet fuel.
     
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    Maybe im just a bit more rational than some, but if I had seen the fighter jet escorts, id know i was safe.
     
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    If it was that low and doing banks, how could they not see it is Air Force One? They saw 747 and a F-16 and panicked and took no notice of the very evident paint job. I don't blame them, but not one noticed it was Air Force One?
     
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    Everyone knows that even Air Force One can be hijacked! Haven't you ever seen Executive Decision? Sheesh! :) :)
     
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    or wait for it.....air force one lol

    ok how many people know what af1 looks like?

    how many people react to the painting on the plane over the gut insticnt of "dang that is way low"
     
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    They couldn't Photoshop it to a lower altitude when it was flying in a blue, cloud-free sky?
     

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