America asked for this "payback".

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    When he got to the point where he said Obama was one of the best presidents we've ever had, I stopped listening.

    Independent of whether you agree or disagree with his policies, in my opinion he's been a disaster. I honestly believe that he instilled a tremendous sense of relief in Jimmy Carter by removing him from his "Most Awful" ranking.
     
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    Eh, he's not terrible. I mean sure, he got us all hyped up during his campaign run, only to turn around and stick to the status quo that hasn't been working all that well for us since we decided to try something new back in the 80's. So yeah, he's been kind of a disappointment.

    But you know what that makes him? I'll tell you...


    :a single tear rolls down my cheek: ...An American President.
     
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    Not quite "America", just the delusional GOP and all of their nut job supporters who are standing in line ready to drink from the cup of bitterness and hate that is Trump.
     
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    I wouldn't say Obama was best but also not worst.

    Worst, in rating, in modern times was George Bush Jr.

    That's why Jeb went down even though he's better than current GOP field and when people looked at Jeb all they saw was older, hated brother. Calling himself Jeb and leaving out last name didn't help.

    Bush isn't gone in USA and we have Prescott, probably after Prez Hilary. If Hilary does poorly then expect another Bush.
     
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    I'm beginning to wonder if Hillary will beat Trump in the general. A sea change is occurring in America and things seem to be moving to Trump. Trump supported are manic; Hillary supporters are unenthusiastic.
     
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    Take another look at those RealClear Politics polls. Only one is of likely voters, and it has Trump up by 3.

    Now take a look at Democrat turnout in the primaries so far: it's in free fall.

    Meanwhile, Republican turnout is at all time highs.

    As for your former Pro Life activist, the closest his bio on the NYT comes to mentioning anti-abortion activism is that he may have helped Reagan write his book on abortion.
     
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    Some of the polls put them near equal but I have seen some that put Trump way up. Only time will tell.

    Fox themselves, especially Hannity and Kelly File, sometimes O'Reilly, think that to beat Hilary it may take Cruz or Rubio, since they poll higher. Fox loves Rubio just because he's so pro-life. And they really bend over backwards for Cruz because he's the Teavangelical poster boy. But that being said I think Ailes is coaching the hosts to be anti-Trump and as much as Fox has tried to appear fair and balanced, they really hate Trump and will take any chance to backhand him. I think it may have started before Trump went after Ailes' precious Megyn Kelly. I remember after their latest fight and while Trump was up +4 on the polls against Clinton, a number that was consistent throughout within a few points either way, suddenly put Trump back -11 against Clinton. I know that was not a real number and realized then that Fox was out for him.

    If push comes to shove, Ailes will back Kelly and she is the premium star of Fox. We all know the mainstream media leans left and won't say anything good about any republican but if there was a chance at a good run from a republican, Fox would say so but they won't give Trump an inch.

    But at the same time I can see why Ailes worships Kelly. I can't think of a conservative commentator who puts it to the Democrats so effectively. She can really spin the far right Fox machine and do it with a smile. As much as I totally disagree with her, I will admit she's very good at what she does and is very likable. I assume many on the right feel that way about Anderson Cooper, and while he leans left, I think he still has a lot of conservatives who just like the person. When I tell people I like Megyn Kelly, I always let them know I never agree with her, except that she doesn't like Trump.

    But Trump is temporary and Kelly will have a decades long career, probably like Barbara Walters, using her camera presence and good voice to slam the liberals, often with misinformation. Regardless of being right or left, Kelly will be here a very long time.

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/04/15/2FCB0DB500000578-3383816-image-a-66_1451921768899.jpg
     
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    Cruz dug into Trump's poor showing against Hilary, and the better numbers from Cruz, but all polls show trump over Cruz just within GOP.

    Rubio has better numbers than Cruz against Clinton and if the other two can derail him then dems win.

    Another scenario shows Kasich beating Hilary.

    So strongest guy in GOP is weakest against Hilary because GOP is so right that moderates and liberals flock to Hilary, but maybe pulling her lever ver reluctantly like I will. I hate her almost as much as I hate Trump!
     
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    The Left is utterly beside itself that total PC chewing Trump broke all their "rules" and remains standing for months on end, so it falls back on fantasy after attacks have been rendered useless.
     
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    he's a piece of **** and the morons that fall for his "I don't know, maybe he/she thinks this/that, I don't know if I like that/not"-idiot rhetorics deserve that garbage in their face. :)
     
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    The Dude really needs to smoke some better weed...
     
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    I did a Google search and the Internet told me that Dubya still owns the trademark to Worst. President. Ever.
     
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    Oh hell, Robisan, that's worth quoting in full again:

    Either they are too stupid to recognize it, or they don’t want to take the blame, or some combination of both, but they built Trump. It was decades of these stupid mother ****ers shouting about Obama being a secret Muslim or Hillary murdered Vince Foster and Dan Burton shooting a ****ing watermelon to prove it to another melon based theory about Mexicans having calves the size of cantaloupes and women wanting to abort babies for ***** and giggles and sending rock salt to Olympia Snowe and claiming there is no global climate change because LOOK RIGHT ****ING HERE I HAVE A SNOWBALL IN FEBRUARY or convincing America that welfare and food stamps only go to young bucks buying t-bone steaks or welfare queens with big screen tv’s or that public transportation is totalitarianism or that the main cost cutting technique of health care reform will be Death Panels or that prison makes you gay or that man and dinosaurs lived together in harmony or that women can magically abort pregnancies created by rape or that scientists are genetically creating human/mice superbrains or that agribusiness is using aborted fetuses in soda or that if gay people marry pretty soon people will be marrying dogsor that Presidents Lincoln and Washington used electronic surveillance and actually writing, promoting, and believing a ****ing book that said liberalism is fascism and running this person as a Vice Presidential candidate to claiming with no scientific evidence that vaccines cause autism.

    My bad. That last one is a Democrat. **** you, Robert Kennedy, you ****ing stain on our party and your family name.

    But that list is real. I didn’t make any of it up. And that’s just a list of things they BELIEVE IN, and not a comprehensive list of the stupid **** they’ve actually done or the vile things they have said. That’s just too depressing to actually tabulate.

    And now the ultimate irony: these right wing loonies are trying to concoct a new narrative in which all of that loopiness can be justified because, you know, they're just being anti-PC. And oh yeah, it's the other side that's crazy. :rolleyes:

    I think of it as the Talibanization of America.
     
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    To be fair, some of that was playing chess. But I too wish he had done so less often. After 4 years, or now 7, where the GOP has obstructed and been a sandbox full of toddlers, he still chooses to be nice. The man's quite tolerant of the GOP and their antics, that's for sure!
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    It's better to have lived through it. What the internet says isn't always true. Or television. Or newspapers. Or books. Or word of mouth. Dang, a nation of rubes and paranoids. Kewl.
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    From speaking with people directly or relying on news snippets and fact finding sources?

    http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
    http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/


    And I've read it all before as responses from others online:

    "Politifact is liberal biased!"
    "Politifact is biased in favor of the republicans!"

    And variations and namecalling in both quotes...

    There are other fact checking sites as well, which get the same knee-jerk complaints from people. Maybe they can try to work for these entities and create a better sense of veracity.
     
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    This is true. Though when everything is considered, Obama the President did end up being pretty underwhelming when compared to Obama the Candidate. Yeah, he did set out to do some of what he promised, but for the most part, he's been pretty waffly.

    Though what's funny is that kept Obama from running the country will probably come into play if Trump were to become president. The GOP and DNC both don't like him all that much. If he wants to do even a quarter of the things he claims he wants to do, he'll eventually have to go over the heads of both parties in congress at some point, which is something that always played against Obama when he attempted it.
     
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    A (theoretical) President Trump will pretty much govern like any other "establishment President".

    All the extremist shocking (populist) things he's saying/promising/threatening now… is simply to get the votes of the ignorant masses.
     
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    I think he'll be reigned in by both parties. But with Trump being Trump, I'm sure he'll try a few crazy things.

    A Trump presidency, for all its potential pitfalls, will be an entertaining one at the very least.
     
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    Republicans have had record turnout and they would vote for lucifer before hillary. The dems should be afraid.
     
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    That's not really what I'd call a shining endorsement, you know.
     
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    If the dems wanted another term all they had to do is get a non crook, non socialist to run, it wasn't that hard.
     
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    It really is mindboggling when you chronicle all that stupid in one place.
     
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    The Republicans would much rather take the Devil they know. I mean it's Lucifer, they read about him, they get to know him every day in the Bible. :p
     
  24. 63dot, Feb 27, 2016
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    Yes we are but the establishment right is just livid. I think Cruz (and some others, too) is going to run third party just to rain on the Donald. What Donald doesn't realize is that Cruz is the same, just younger, smarter, yet poorer.

    Rubio calls Trump a liberal but overall Trump is a regular middle of the road conservative for a 90s republican, but only liberal compared to current tea party republicans. Rubio may run thinking that Trump is taking party too far left with hints of planned parenthood and socialized medicine. Without the terrible insults to fellow republicans and an inability to get along with any of them kind of scaring me showing an autocratic personality, I do like that Trump said he will give free medical care to the poorest 25% percent and that he won't ever allow any person to die on the street. Some republicans thought that meant that it made Donald a flaming liberal, but from my liberal point of view, that is just showing some compassion. But to be fair, even crazies like Nixon showed compassion at times but overall was not a good president.

    Now if Donald said (these days, not a few years ago) that 100% percent of Americans should have free healthcare, then I can see the republicans jeering and saying that it makes him too liberal. It's just that the GOP is so far right that helping the poorest 25% percent looks like it's "liberal".

    Trump has surprised everybody yet also pissed them off. If he gets presidency he will end up having ALL republicans hating him. That's Trump's no prisoners style and works for him in business. Trump takes new frontiers, kicks butt, but never looks for repeat business or making friends. He's a conquerer, not a long term occupier.

    This isn't foreign to many major US entrepreneurs and Trump is another pit fighter of the likes DC is not used to.

    If Cruz becomes president some say he will be more hated than any previously in his party.

    My protests are over their personalities. Why can't you get a Reagan or even GHW Bush?
     

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