America: Pay More, Get Less.

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Ugg, Jun 23, 2010.

  1. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    NPR

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    It's funny how the best systems turn out to be public/private, yet the "Party of No" insists on calling them socialists.

    I sincerely hope that cost-containment becomes more important in US health care. Without it, we're doomed.
     
  2. chrmjenkins macrumors 603

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    And preventative care. We cannot stress the importance of a healthy lifestyle enough.
     
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    Who is we?

    Liberals have no right to enforce their draconian and totalitarian ideas onto others.

    Good examples of this is the stupid tax on soda and fast food that has been proposed by some numbskulls. A few idiots even wanted to ban salt!

    These fascist nanny-state proposals are totally un-American and they belong in a third world leftist dictatorship, not the USA.
     
  4. chrmjenkins macrumors 603

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    Thanks for injecting your platform into a non-partisan statement. Are you baiting, or are you just that determined on viewing everything as a political statement?

    Liberals, conservatives, republicans, democrats, independents, socialists etc. all get fat and die of heart disease in this country. It is the #1 killer. This transcends your petty political games. We need to be more proactive about preventative measures and make sure people have the right information for making healthy decisions in their lives. Get over yourself.
     
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    This is a political forum and of course everything is politicized.

    Who are the ones that have pushed through the ridiculous leftist Obamacare bill? They jammed it down the throats of American citizens, even though most Americans are against it. We haven't even seen the damage from that yet, as the plan hasn't been fully implemented yet. It's going to be pretty fun to see how that plan works out in the future. I predict a disaster.

    I think that most people do have the right information. It's just that people are free to make their own choices, and many people choose stupidly. And if their choice is to eat 10 bigmacs at McDonald's every day and get fat and die from a heart attack before they're 40, well then that's their choice. People are responsible for their own decisions and actions.
     
  6. AP_piano295 macrumors 65816

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    Quit parroting the Fox news team use your own words.

    Last time I checked I'm an American citizen and I am being forced to use a ridiculously inefficient heath care system by people like you.

    Why don't my views as an American citizen count. Why don't the views of the millions of people who WANT public heath care count.

    They are American citizens as well.
     
  7. killerrobot macrumors 68020

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    It's amazing traveling abroad and noticing how thin and healthy looking everyone looks (especially women). A little extra walking (exercise) wouldn't hurt anyone in the US.
     
  8. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    But it's ok to tell people where they can live, who they can love, and what they do in their free time, not to mention which god they worship.

    Hippo!
     
  9. leekohler macrumors G5

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    And you also sound like you're 12 years old.

    "I just don't like liberals". What a simple-minded thing to say. You don't even understand that the health care law is anything but left wing. You can't even distinguish between a right or left wing policy. So far, all I hear from you is that if it's something you don't like, it must be leftist.

    Sorry to break it to you, but this health care law is NOT leftist.

    Yes, it is. It was confusing when I first went overseas- something was missing. I didn't figure it out until two days later. Then I realized it- everyone was in decent to great shape.
     
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    If they're illegals and have zero right to be in this country, then yeah. These people can be told what to do, where to live and where not to live, as their rights are extremely limited, since they are illegals afterall.

    If you're referring to gays, then they can do whatever they please, doesn't bother me.

    I don't know what you're referring to.

    I would prefer that people worship zero gods. I don't have any problems with religious people as long as they stay far away from me with any demands or rules that will affect me and my rights.
     
  11. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    Zero right to be here? Actually, that's not the case. They have as much right to be here as any other human being, the only difference is that there are laws restricting some humans from travelling to and from certain places. Laws can be changed.

    If someone supported supports a group with terrible views, do they support the views? You are supporting the right, and they want to deny or take away basic human and civil rights.

    You'll figure it out someday.

    So how can you support the party of religious zealots? That makes no sense at all, seeing as they want to take away your rights.
     
  12. rhsgolfer33 macrumors 6502a

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    Do you know what preventive care is? It doesn't have to mean taxing soda or the government telling people what to do. It really means allowing people access to doctors before they end up in the emergency room where its more expensive to treat whatever disease or illness they've already acquired.
     
  13. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a

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    Here's a tip: if you put it as your signature, you won't have to repeat it in every post. :)
     
  14. leekohler macrumors G5

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    And like I always say- if being a liberal means I'm not like absolutists like Black MacBook, then call me a liberal. Seems like that's the definition these days.
     
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    No, they are illegals and they do not have the same rights and they are not entitled to the same services and protections as other human beings who happen to be American citizens.

    Laws can be changed, sure. That doesn't mean that they have to or that it is a good idea to change them. There should be laws restricting travel to and from certain places. That's called having a civilized society and having a sovereign nation.

    Gays can get married later on. It's not that important of an issue to me, compared to other issues.

    I am not a Republican, if that's what you mistakenly thought. I don't belong to any party. There is no doubt that I agree with them more on issues of national defense. I find Liberalism to be a religion too, and also a brain disease in certain cases, so it's a simple matter of choosing the better of the two alternatives, none of which are great.
     
  16. yg17 macrumors G5

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    Brain disease? Now you're just being downright insulting.
     
  17. leekohler macrumors G5

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    If you support a party that is firmly against gay people being treated equally, then you are supporting their bigotry- you even said you'd vote for Republicans in Texas who supported criminalizing gay people. Therefore, YOU support that view.

    Reminds me of what a lot of people said at a certain time:

    Jews and gays were being incinerated, experimented upon, tortured and gassed, but the trains finally were on time and the roads were nicer than before.

    No one issue is more important than how we treat our own citizens. That is first and foremost. Everything else comes later.


    Then you have some serious delusions, and lack any sort of critical thinking skills.
     
  18. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    And, if you got your head out of your **s, you would realize that they are human beings. The planet has no borders. It has continents and oceans. Borders are human inventions. They have the exact same right to live as you do. Period. American citizens are nothing more than humans who happen to have met a defined standard that could easily change with the times.

    First smart thing you have said.
    Second smart thing you've said.
    Nope, that's called tribalism. Great job evolving.

    And you having clean drinking water, no radiation, and police protection aren't that important to me either. Good luck out there.

    No, you're a right-wing nut-job who has been too lazy to register for the right-wing nut-job party you always vote for. Congrats!
    Let me guess, in your mind, republicans are the "ultimate solution" (by Eric Nordren).
     
  19. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    It is well past the point that black macbook is just tolling every thread with partisan culture wars nonsense. It's ruining every discussion. By far the best course of action is for people to put him on ignore.

    Ugg's OP is a very interesting thing to explore. The portability of the application of healthcare systems should make for an interesting thread. There was just a good article in the latest nejm on healthcare cost control.


    And a reminder about the nejm healthcare reform site. Lots of good articles:
    http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?query=rthome
     
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    I don't subscribe to idealistic hippy speak and unrealistic fantasies. The locks on my front door are a human invention too, that doesn't mean that you can bust your way in and proceed to help yourself to what you want. And no, they do not have the same right to live as I do, not in this country. You are on the wrong side of the law, and you support illegals. Either change the law, or quit whining about how criminals are treated.
     
  21. leekohler macrumors G5

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    You are correct.

    Seems you've proven you can't have an intelligent discussion.

    .Andy is right. Welcome to my ignore list.
     
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    That's fine with me. I don't care if all liberals put me on ignore. I have just as much right to my opinions as anybody else here. And I back up whatever I say, I don't weasel my way out of any discussions.
    :D
     
  23. yg17 macrumors G5

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    Not if you're trolling and making inflammatory comments.

    And technically, being a privately run internet forum, you have no rights whatsoever.
     
  24. MattSepeta macrumors 65816

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    Interesting.

    That was one of his more intelligent posts, IMO. Nothing too ideological or "trollish" about that one.
     
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    Like I've said to anybody else who has accused me of either trolling or them lying about me being a previously banned member or whatever other false accusations that they can come up with. Report it to the mods, if you think that I'm violating any rules.

    You're not a mod, so don't pretend to play one. Leftists don't like people like me who hold strong opinions, and frankly, that's their problem and not mine.
     

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