American Middle-Class Hurtling Towards Extinction

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    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/12/09/the-american-middle-class-is-losing-ground/

    Perhaps Hillary's $260,000 Goldman-Sachs speech was on the decline of the Middle-Class. Or was it the middle-class's benefits from NAFTA and repealing Glass-Steagall?
     
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    Now that we've identified that we do, in fact, have a problem concerning the middle class, we shall now commence to stage two of the process: the laying of blame.

    It's all your fault, Aaronvan. You should've known better than to take out that loan last year. We told you it'd lead to the destruction of America, but you wouldn't listen to us. Oh no. You just HAD to get that goddamn boat...
     
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    Yeah, I'm going to blame Hillary before she takes office, it worked so well when they blamed Obama for the crash of 2007.
     
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    NAFTA/TPP, supported by her and then she claimed she was against it, so yes she is to blame along with the republicans who made it possible.

    question is, what to do about it since it passed ? (TPP).
     
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    To be fair, the reason why I don't like Hillary is because she is a part of the political clique that's lead us to the point in our history.

    But it isn't something that should rest solely on her shoulders. She has 99.5% of Washington doing the same thing right alongside her. It's why we're all so stoked about voting in "outsiders" this election season.
     
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    because the clique sucks as hard as monica and people are tired of it.
     
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    over & over & over & over.......
     
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    Pretty much. Favoring business to such an extreme was likely a wise move during the Reagan administration, when we were in the midst of a very flat economy. The problem is, Washington has continued playing this game long past the point of necessity, and it's ended up creating a monster that's always demanding and expecting MORE!

    And what has it given us in the end? Stagnant wages, dwindling jobs, a government that's implicit in cheating itself of tax revenue from its corporate interests, and an ever increasing pool of debt because it can't tax the middle class enough to make up for the losses it's happily incurring because it's too busy pandering to the high end.
     
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    We absolutely deserve the folks running for president this cycle..
     
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    Based on how Clinton, Bush, and Obama got treated by the other side you'd have to be an idiot to want the office, so it's not like we have much choice.
     
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    you think they care? they are busy reaping millions my friend.
     
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    Even Republicans who venture into the Oval Office are apt to be devowered by the rabid dogs on the Right. ;)
     
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    I think any reasonable person would count an influential former US Senator and Secretary of State as someone who has been in office.

    Maybe you could argue Secretary of State has nothing do with the economy and the middle class, but the Senate sure does.
     
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    Agreed, on both counts. IMO it's fair to hit her on foreign policy related issues but as far as the economy goes, it's really out of their purview, at least directly.
     
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    Well as long as we are divided by lgbt, PC correct, and claims of racism, the politicians PROFIT, while we are busy with propaganda nonsense and keep the attention away to graft and fraud happening within our govt..

    Politicians and their strategy to divide is to address the public by "communities" each race identifies with - white, black, hispanic, asian, muslim, jewish, gay, transgender, etc..etc..etc..

    How about "we Americans" ?. Because income inequality, and war, is not a "race" problem.
     
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    A nice idea, but you have to kind of acknowledge the fact that it's the opposition to all these various peoples that makes them make a big deal of it in the first place. There's sort of a tit for a tat thing going on.

    Like the issue of gay marriage wouldn't be that big of a deal right if a whole bunch of people didn't start screaming "BBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBR MAH RIGHTS ARE INFRINGED JUDICIAL ACTIVISM JUDICIAL ACTIVISM" the moment SCOTUS closed the Obergefell case.
     
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    Well, that's not a good thing, but the notion that the government should step in and fix this societal ill will not work.

    In a meritocratic setting, contributions often follow a Pareto distribution, which is commonly referred to as "80-20 rule."
    For instance, if you polled all the authors on Amazon and got the number of books each author sold, vast majority would have extremely low numbers except very very few, who have sold millions. Another general example everyone could relate to would be in a company, only a small number of individuals usually make up for most of the productivity.
    This type of a disproportionate contribution is exaggerated in a global economy, where the best are able to contribute on a larger scale (as opposed to just local scale as in the distant past), and are rewarded accordingly.

    If you're a socialist and you believe that Kobe Bryant's number of shoes sold compared to average athlete, or Bella Forrest's (or whomever is a famous US author) book sales are due to evil forces, then I suppose your solution would be to take their wealth and redistribute. If you're a right-wing nationalist and you believe that Kobe Bryant and Nike's international presence is evil and that they should not be allowed to have international operations, then I guess you'd want the government to impose some trade embargoes and tax on non-US profits.
    I think both are mistaken.

    It's better for everyone to stop worrying about the extremely small number of individuals who become enormously wealthy.
     
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    I disagree with blaming the voters. Sure, we sent them to Washington but they long ago rigged the system to ensure it would be impossible to challenge the Republicrat duopoly.
     
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    Well, the American middle class wanted pure unabashed capitalism, now you have it.
     
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    NAFTA started with George HW Bush (if you want to go after Bill Clinton, the only thing I can think of was Glass-Steagall, and NPR once put out an article discussing why presidents don't veto. If Glass-Steagall was dismantled affter 1994, Clinton's GOP-dominated and filibuster-proof congress might be a reason not to waste taxpayers' money and time. In the late-1990s, maybe nobody thought another crash might happen and the act was needed in the past but no longer in the present (circa 1999)? After all, we also say unions' time has passed as well so let's get rid of those because they only do bad things...

    Oh, companies had offshored to Mexico before NAFTA as well. Even to other countries. There are provisions Clinton put in that made NAFTA a lesser hurt.

    But facts are useless things.
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    Wanted? So Americans did all the research of their own intellectual accord and were never once encouraged by any outside entity?

    Nope, not wanted. Encouraged. Huge difference.
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    Not to don a tinfoil hat, but if Trump wins, would Obama then impose NSPD51 or REX84?
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    Not much argument from me, since we are indeed all Americans, and wedge issues should be obvious by most people by 1950, never mind 2010 or today. Also, was it not the GOP who kept telling us there were no classes and how anyone could be successful and only liberals were hyping up "class warfare" at one point in the past? Conversely, today's liberals supporting arguably better treatment for illegals or even H1Bs because of "families" (while clearly ignoring people born here who paid taxes and stuff all their lives and are not here to be fleeced or to be given free training and then to go back to their home countries because they do not care except to do their own exploiting...)
     
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    Wake the **** up. The DNC AND the GOP are wholly owned and operated by Corporate America. Stop with the petty partisan ******** if you want to be taken seriously.
     
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    Umm, yea.

    However, Bernie is not.

    #feeltheBern
     
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    The problem is that Hillary is the ultimate self aggrandizing Washington insider. A fox ready to guard the henhouse (my apologies to the fox.)
     

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