Americans want nomination system changed

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  1. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-norc-...ation-system-changed-082601782--election.html
    got a feeling BOTH the DNC and the GOP are looking at making changes to avoid the mess they have today, we should do away with the party system , but that would mean people would have to be informed as to who they are voting for instead of settling for the "R" or "D" before pulling the lever.
     
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    Americans will bitch and moan, then vote either GOP or Dem.
     
  3. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    liberals call it "pragmatic" while conservative call it "**** the liberals" or something like that :p
     
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    Our system to elect president has been designed to be a contest between the two most dominant parties in the legislature. Historically, mathematically, it has always been this way. Elections for president will likely always be a duopoly. You can help to change who these two parties are by voting third party candidates into office elsewhere in government. That is the way "in" for a third party. President is best seen as the end goal of a political party, not something they have a possibility to win without a history or presence anywhere else in government.
     
  5. BoxerGT2.5 macrumors 68000

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    Sanders can still run as an "independent" like he has his entire life if he so chooses in the general. He clearly has enough supporters to keep a campaign afloat. He knew the DNC rules, he decided to run as a democrat to say nothing of the fact that he's never done anything (raise money or campaign) for the DNC or others running on the democratic ticket. NO **** the party isn't going to bend over backwards for him. Better yet, why is he surprised? While their use of super delegates is easily viewed as the antitheses of the democratic process, they do so in order to prevent weak and crazies from getting the nominee. Let's be honest, Sanders has some off the reservation spending plans that have no way of getting passed or paid for. He is a socialist, a word and a moniker that the democratic party has tried like hell to run from every time income redistribution is the talking point. He would hang that moniker around every democrats neck for the next decade if he won. The last thing the Democratic party wants is to be the "Socialist party" on face value.

    Honestly when it's all said and done, I wouldn't be surprised if the RNC adopts the process depending upon how ramped up Trump's rhetoric gets in the fall.
     
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    He won't. Sanders understands how election to president work in this country. See my post above.
     
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    I didn't say he'd win. If the old man thinks the system is rigged and wants to make waves (he isn't getting any younger), run as a Independent. He will be the democrats Ross Perot.
     
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    With 4 year Presidential terms and an electoral process that seems to go on for 18-24 months, yeah I'd say there's a need for change.
     
  9. bent christian, May 31, 2016
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    Yeah, so no point in doing it, obviously. That would just be dumb and would accomplish nothing.

    Sanders is looking to be a movement catalyst after the election. He has said as much many, many times.
     
  10. Robisan macrumors 6502

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    Let's get rid of freedom of association too. :rolleyes:
     
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    That, and it'd split the Democrat vote, all but giving Trump the election.

    Unless Sanders wins a sweeping victory in California, the only way he's going to be running in the primaries is if Hillary bails over too much legal heat.
     
  12. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    just in politics :D
     
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    It would have to be a very sweeping victory considering super delegates are not going to be switching sides and without that happening he needs about 90% of the remaining delegates. Even with his best polling in California Sanders is nowhere near 90%. If Clinton were to be indicted and all the super delegates switch over Sanders would need 163 more delegates to be able to get it without changing rules to unbind delegates, that number is one he will be able to get. Of course not all of the super delegates will switch even if Clinton gets indicted, so if that happens then it is more likely to be a fight at the convention to try to get enough over to Sander's side.
     
  14. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    People can prefer open primaries and whatever they want, but ultimately this is a state issue, not a federal one, and also not an RNC/DNC one. Which is why voting rules are a complicated hodgepodge across the country. Because each state gets to do their own thing.
     
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    Okaydokey, no more NRA. That'll go over well.
     
  16. Snoopy4 macrumors 6502a

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    The primary system is there to vet the candidates which needs to continue. That said, I'd be up for a consolidated primary say November a year before the National election then a run off in June for the top two in each party unless someone gets a super majority of 2/3+1 in the first primary.
     
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    Hmm, forgive me for not being raised in a liberal unionized public school system, but don't you mean:

    "...it'd split the Democrats' votes..."
    "...it'd split the Democratic party's votes..."

    etc?

    I ask mostly because FOX Media and other right-wing biased outlets have the habit of using grammatically erroneous misuses of titles? "Democrat party" being their most frequent display of ironic linguistic ineptitude, as if they believe they are committing an insult but only looking like a gang of illiterates instead...

    I also now understand how Candidate Trump finds all this to be fun, in not acting professional.
     
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    You put too much faith in the people.


    Not at all. But unfortunately loyalty seems to go in this order:

    1) Party
    2) Screw the rest of you

    The only time legislators buck the party is if they know something will be so unpopular back home that they will get voted out.

    But the parties have both gone too far out to the fringes. We need a 3rd major party that represents the middle 50% of the country.

    I think the Democratic Party has more to lose here than the GOP simply because they have more factions. There are basically 2 major GOP factions: 1) Religious Right and 2) Fiscal Conservatives. The Dems have many more: 1) Environmentalists, Open Borders, LGBT, Ethnic Groups, Unions, etc. So as the Dems keep going left to appease these groups they run the risk of alienating some other members.

    A good example of this is their stance on immigration. While the union leaders may be all for it, the union members are not. Another is the current issue over bathroom access. I have a neighbor who has voted Democrat as long as I have known her. But this has her upset because she has a teenage daughter and while she will probably not vote GOP, she may very well stay home.

    So the electorate is ripe for the formation of a 3rd party.
     
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    I think the Republicans are more divided up than that. They have also aligned themselves into "burn it all down/drown government in a bathtub" extreme tea party types who have been trying a hostile takeover of the party for eight years. Then there are old (and big) money establishment types, and then the neocons. So they have their issues too. But you are right, corralling all the different factions can be daunting.

    Side note: I find the comment about your neighbor odd. The first transgendered surgery was done almost 100 years ago. Where does she think transgendered people have been going to the restroom all these decades?
     
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    The issue is not about those who have had the surgery. It is about those who can simply "change their sex" because it is how they identify. Cross-dressing men have been using the ladies facilities for years and no one knew or had any issue with it.

    But now a male can simply say "he identifies as a woman" and have legal access to female facilities. That is where the line has been crossed.
     
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    If all he's doing is using the bathroom, then what's the big deal?
     
  23. Mr. Buzzcut macrumors 65816

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    If folks are so bent on a party system, let's take the next step. Each party puts forth its platform and people vote for that. Once a party wins, they select the person most capable of leading those initiatives. Let's take the focus off of the figurehead.
     
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    Maybe you are not familiar with the U.S. constitution?
     
  25. jerwin, Jun 1, 2016
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    Here's the catch 22.

    HB2, the North Carolina Bill conditions access to the toilet on the basis of sex "as stated on the birth certificate".

    North Carolina will only change the sex on a birth certificate if the individual has undergone what is nowadays refered to as "gender confirmation surgery".

    And "gender confirmation surgery" is only indicated if the patient has lived for 12 continuous months "in a gender role that is congruent with their gender identity"-- which usually implies using the corresponding sex-specific restroom.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/...sgender_people_in_an_impossible_catch_22.html
     

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