and now it's Al Franken

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  1. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a

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    If you (the party, not you personally) are going to bring Clinton up to forever protect conservatives accused of assault, that is a losing battle. Democrats can't go back in time, but they can start leading by example, and that's what they're doing. I love how the right is trying to have it both ways... they jumped on the Weinstein scandal, but when it became clear this crosses age, party lines, race, etc., they now are trying to call liberals out for asking their own to resign by saying its a strategy to force people like Moore and Trump out. This is what happens when they try to have their cake and eat it too, they lose out on both.
     
  2. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    Yeah, I'm not convinced by the whole "only one was 14" argument. The accusations against Moore show a creepy, disturbing pattern of behavior.
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    That seems to be where we're going. Hollywood is sacking guys like Danny Masterson, Democrats are forcing guys like Franken to resign, and meanwhile, the GOP is trying to get Roy "Hide Your Daughters" Moore elected.
     
  3. lowendlinux Contributor

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    Well ya know if that 14 year old had a concealed carry permit we might not be dealing with this now, lets lower the CC permit age to 13 :D
     
  4. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    Nonsense, Moore's accusers were from 40 years ago, Clinton is more recent than that. Bring him out for a public shaming.
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    Elect him straight into an ethics investigation so he can be replaced.
     
  5. ericgtr12 macrumors 6502a

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    Is Bill Clinton our current president or is this just crap dragged from 20 years ago about a man who no longer holds office?
     
  6. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a

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    Incredibly weak and horrible argument.
     
  7. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    No when he was the current president Democrats knew about his accusers and did nothing, those events weren't occurring decades in the past either. You are still defending him.
     
  8. mrkramer macrumors 603

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    He is no longer in office. Once Trump is no longer in office he won’t need to be drug out for a public shaming either.
     
  9. BaldiMac macrumors 604

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    Two of the women were 14. Four of the women alleged sexual assault. Why do you keep bringing up the two that were legal and ignore the assaults?
     
  10. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    If we want the situation to be parallel to what Democrats did we would defend Trump while he's in office, then afterwards up until the Democrats elect their next pervert and then demand that he resign because we don't like his policies.
     
  11. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    Clinton had his accusers get the limelight during the debates, and many liberals are reconsidering their decades-old defenses of Clinton.

    Now, I don't mind throwing Clinton's legacy on the pyre, but we've got to deal with Trump, Moore, the rest, who have engaged in reprehensible behavior because they're currently in power. Clinton's a toothless dog, but Moore is seeking real power, and Trump is in the White House.

    And, let the Senate cock this up? Forget it. Moore shouldn't be in office. The guy got thrown off the bench twice. He's a vicious theocrat, who once argued that Rep. Ellison couldn't serve because he's Muslim. Moore belongs in the dustbin of history.
     
  12. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a

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    Some people haven't heard of a thing called "learning from the past" and "changing". According to some, the right should forever get a pass for any legislator accused of assault because Clinton got away with accusations.
     
  13. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    Mitigation as a defense.
     
  14. ThisBougieLife macrumors 65816

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    My friend the other day put it crassly: "Diddlers before Democrats". I'd like to see that on someone's picket sign...
     
  15. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    Yep, and many people are arguing that Democrats are hypocrites—illustrating yet again, that many people are stupid.

    Changing your mind 10 years or 20 years later is not hypocrisy. Protecting Franken while attacking Moore is hypocrisy.
     
  16. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    No one's protecting Moore, he denied the allegations, the voters get to decide if they believe him unless there's a criminal case. Once he's in office there is going to be an ethics investigation.
     
  17. mrkramer macrumors 603

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    If you think that was a bad thing to do why would you want the situation to be parallel? Times have changed, Democrats are now resigning for similar things, it’s time to move on and hold all of our politicians regardless of party to the same high standard.
     
  18. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    That was nearly 18 years ago. A kid born at the end of Clinton presidency ended is old enough to smoke cigarettes
     
  19. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    The problem is that they didn't really change, they saw a political opportunity that only costed them a couple congressmen.

    Notice the conversation didn't go to "how we can prevent this in our own party". Trump was elected with Americans knowing all of these details. HRC was literally the worst candidate in history.
     
  20. BaldiMac macrumors 604

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    The problem here is that you are assigning a single motive to a large group of individuals based on nothing more than your political bias.
     
  21. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    Of course not. I am saying that Moore, like anyone is in the job interview process. Not someone that needs to resign on the spot. If he were running for teacher, I assume you wouldn't want to see him hired and put in a position due to the "heightened awareness" as you called it.

    Yet here you have the RNC and the head of the GOP ignoring this "heightened awareness" and doubling down on the backing of the individual.

    I think the Wall Street Journal said it best this morning:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-frankenmoore-nightmare-1512603383

    Indeed.
     
  22. CaptMurdock macrumors 6502a

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    Yes, Democrats knew about his accusers. Democrats knew Paula Jones alleged events in a hotel that had not even been built yet and physical abnormalities that Bill Clinton does not possess. Democrats knew that Juanita Broaddrick changed her story numerous times and even swore under oath that Bill Clinton did not rape her. Democrats knew that Kathleen Willey's testimony was completely unsupported and her sole "witness" refused to corroborate her story, even when Ken Starr tried to blackmail said witness.

    Democrats knew. That's why they did "nothing" -- or at least, not what you wanted.
     
  23. MachCrit macrumors regular

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    Franken said that he hadn't done anything wrong while in the Senate. Hmmmm, isn't that exactly the situation with Trump and Moore?

    Actually, Franken admitted no wrong doing (looming legal jeopardy), and expressed being shocked by his own behavior. ;)

    Al definitely displayed the demeanor of someone given an "offer that he couldn't refuse" by the Liberal Mafia in the Senate Opposition.

    All to stop Roy Moore, who the Republicans will let be elected and then be replaced with a different conservative. Franken can't believe it. If he had only been able to act like a gentleman while on a USO Tour on military property in a war zone. Too much to ask? Yup.

    Can't make this stuff up.
     
  24. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Yet you still have Thomas. Ball's in your court.

    BL.
     
  25. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Clinton was impeached. Give us an impeachment. See how that works?
     

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