update 27 March: The judge said that he was duty bound to give Harris and Herbert life sentences but that he would set the tariffs on 28 April. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/lancashire/7291985.stm Wow. The alpha kid apparently denies murder. I think in cases like this hard examples need to be made. These kids should all be locked up for 25 to life. They engaged and brutally murdered this girl and the guy is seriously messed up for life. Senseless. Where do they get these ideas? Anger I can understand, but what makes it even conceivable to behave this way? Someone needs to make a documentary about this.