Another Democrat To Retire

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  1. IntheNet macrumors regular

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    Recall the Stupak Coalition that opposed ObamaCare due to its abortion threat then caved due to inner spinelessness and pressure from Pelosi? Well the coalition leader, Michigan Democratic Rep. Bart Stupak, will announce his retirement today. Good. A Republican can win in Michigan and likely will...

    Breaking: Stupak Will Retire
    Apr 9 2010, 8:07 AM ET
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/04/breaking-stupak-will-retire/38690
    Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI) plans to announce his retirement today, Democrats briefed on his decision said. Stupak, the leader of a pro-life faction within his party, had received death threats and was under intense political pressure after he agreed to support the Democratic health care reform legislation, even though pro-life groups insisted that it would allow federal funds to be used for abortion.
     
  2. Queso macrumors G4

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    So you're OK with Tea Perdy members harassing elected representatives with death threats if it achieves your political aims then? 1930s Germany anyone?
     
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    Condone it? No. I condemn it in each and every instance. Democrat and Republican leaders have been harassed and it is a shame that this is happening. But the blame here lies in the legislation itself, and even in Rep. Bart Stupak's Michigan district there was strong, even overwhelming, opposition to the health care legislation that was passed. Let me ask you, Queso, when the Democrats lose their majority in the House this fall, and perhaps in the Senate, what are you going to blame that on? The fault here is the legislation and its extreme unpopularity. Nothing more. Bart Stupak was a long serving representative in the House but he took an unpopular stand against the will of the majority of his constituents. Other Democrats will find this out from the vote this fall.
     
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    You cannot blame racist name calling and death threats on the legislation. That is bull****. The blame is squarely on the teabaggers. They might not like the legislation, but those teabaggers should be able to control themselves. Stop making excuses for them. They're violent, racist animals and nothing more.
     
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    There have been many parties and politicians over the years that have counted their chickens about how the electorate will act. As the economy improves and the deficit subsequently falls the madness coming from the Tea Party will increasingly embarrass the Republicans. November is a long way off.
     
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    That doesn't absolve the majority leaders in both the House and Senate (Pelosi and Reid) from blame here in pushing unpopular legislation that, in the end, will likely cause many Democrats to be voted out of office. What blame do they share for the party? November is not as far off as you assume and in the end, it will be long-serving Democrats, like Stupak and others, that are voted out of office - or retire before that - due to Pelosi and Reid not listening to their constituency.
     
  7. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    As far as I'm concerned, the more incumbents that retire or get voted out, the better. We must change the culture in Washington. Both sides are so damn corrupt and represent corporate interest over individuals. This has to stop.
     
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    Mind if I fix that for you?

    Well, let's help them out shall we. Let's call them what they truly are... Republicans. (edit) At best they are a subset of Republicans, but not some separate and distinct group.
     
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    If they would have listened to the majority of Americans (you remember that election where President Obama became President Obama), we would have had universal health care or a public option. As it was, because of Republicans who did not listen to their constituents, many of whom wanted and/or needed health care and Democrats who had objections for other reasons, the leadership had to water the bill down into a Republican idea (1993/RomneyCare ring a bell?)
     
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    Not at all ;)
     
  11. IntheNet thread starter macrumors regular

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    If Stupak would have listened to the majority of Americans this health care tragedy would never have passed. At no time, not now, not during its discussion, not even during its planning, did either the House or Senate health care legislation bill(s) have the support of the majority of Americans. If you'd like I'll post polls to that effect. While parts of the legislation did enjoy widespread bi-partisan support, all of it together was objected to by Americans in poll after poll. So if Democrats listened to their constituency this retirement, and the likely majority loss this fall in the elections, could have been avoided.
     
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    And that is the truth. Incumbents in both parties are in danger, and they should be.
     
  13. yg17 macrumors G5

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    More lies from InTheNet...

    American Public Divided On Health Care Reform (POLL)
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/17/american-public-divided-o_n_502439.html
    The American public remains evenly divided on whether President Obama's health care plan should be passed, according to the latest Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll.
    Forty-six percent of all respondents came out in favor of passing the bill, with 45 percent against it.

    Poll: Health care plan gains favor
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-23-health-poll-favorable_N.htm
    More Americans now favor than oppose the health care overhaul that President Obama signed into law Tuesday, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds — a notable turnaround from surveys before the vote that showed a plurality against the legislation.
    By 49%-40%, those polled say it was "a good thing" rather than a bad one that Congress passed the bill. Half describe their reaction in positive terms — as "enthusiastic" or "pleased" — while about four in 10 describe it in negative ways, as "disappointed" or "angry."
    The largest single group, 48%, calls the legislation "a good first step" that needs to be followed by more action.
     
  14. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    I think we've already established that America doesn't even realize whats in the bill or what it does based on my former thread about people calling in for their free health care. Im not sure how well a poll on a subject everyone is clueless on is going to retrieve accurate results.
     
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    So, both those applauding the bill and those against it are equally "clueless."
     
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    If what I have been seeing on the news from either side is correct, yes. The right still thinks this is universal health care and a government takeover, its not. Its a corporate takeover.

    The left seems to think they are getting universal health care also.
     
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    Lol yes, those morons calling in obviously show that the vast majority of Americans aren't paying attention and everyone thinks obamacare is free healthcare. Congrats on busting that huge story for us.

    Don't mistake those people for those who actually pay attention to the world around them.
     
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    I was under the impression that the left was happy about handing their rights over to private corporations under the guise of universal health care.
     
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    Where is this mythical universal healthcare you speak of? That's not Obamacare.
     
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    Thats exactly what I am asking the left if they are so happy about this new legislation as it appears.
     
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    How many times have "left" MR posters posted that the current bill is nothing but a start? Why do you still assume the "left" is happy with the current bill?
     
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    It seemed like a great victory had been won on the boards here on passage day. The current bill is going to be the only one for years to come, this isn't a "start" at all.. its an impediment to advancement.

    Private company screws people over for years.

    Solution: Lets force everyone to get private insurance and make them promise they won't screw us again.

    10 years later: Private companies have yet again screwed people over for years.
     
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    Do you just like to boil things down till they sound like crap or what? Yes, it is a start. And you are correct that we are essentially dumping them onto the private companies, but you conveniently forget that the bill ends many of the disgusting practices that gave them their bad image in the first place.
     

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