Another Gitmo released terrorist returns

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  1. thewitt macrumors 68020

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    For what?

    This might be new information to you: Detainees have been released, because they can't be charged with a crime.

    It sounds like you are in favor of indefinite detention and murder without due process.
     
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    Those in GITMO should be tried & convicted or freaking released.
     
  4. thewitt thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Yes I support the death of terrorists. Sorry you don't get it.
     
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    Yes we know you want to kill or indefinitely detain muslims even if they haven't committed a crime. Sorry you don't get it.
     
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    He is the Black man who invaded this guys White house.
     
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    Obama is the convenient target right now, the OP did not read his article past the headline
     
  10. bent christian Suspended

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    I don't understand detention or death at the hands of the state without due process. I don't get that at all.
     
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    As JK pointed out, this was in 2004....

    You didn't even make it to the end of paragraph TWO.
     
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    Ha, ha. Nice. Great post, as always @thewitt !
     
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    EXACTLY, charge them or let them go.
     
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    Well perhaps Bush should have gotten the justice department to charge him with something and let the courts sentence him to life in prison instead of letting him go.
     
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    in this case you CAN say it's Bush's fault :D
     
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    I know you don't get it, but my criticism of Obama is that he has NOT LEARNED from the mistakes that Bush made, and CONTINUES to release terrorists from Gitmo.

    I know, it's a leap in logic that's hard for some to grasp.

    I was just as hard on Bush at the time for giving into the democrat pressure to release prisoners.

    The good news? Obama's new policies mean no more prisoners. Just kill them all on the battlefield. Now this does limit the amount of intelligence we can gather and lives will be lost that intelligence could have saved, but there won't be any more choice to make about what to do with detainees.

    They will die on the battlefield instead.
     
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    was that not going to change? 1/2 or something like that was suggested IIRC.
     
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    By law, we have to. If this is a problem for you, take it up with the U.S. constitution.
     
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    Didn't Obama promise to close Gitmo and extricate the United States from Bush's Middle East wars?
     
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    yes, but he decided to do the complete opposite and sign indefinite detention w/o trial into law.
     
  22. zioxide macrumors 603

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    Then put them on trial and convict them!

    If you don't have the evidence needed to do that, there's no choice but to release them.

    Also, great job reading. As others posted, you're so ****ing blinded by your Obama derangement syndrome that you couldn't even read the part about this guy being released in 2004.

    So Illinois State Senator Obama was releasing prisoners from Gitmo in 2004? LOL.

    EPIC FAIL, @thewitt.

    Obama has tried to close Gitmo multiple times but the useless ***** in Congress have prevented it every time.
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    I didn't see anything in "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state; the right of the people to bear arms should not be infringed." that talked about due process...

    Wait...

    There's more to the Constitution than the 2nd amendment???
     
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    You take any group of prisoners, imprisoned for any imaginable transgression: Shoplifting; armed robbery; domestic violence.

    Over time, you are faced with a fundamental decision: If you release any of them, then there is a non-zero chance that one or more of them will re-offend in some way. You hope that they don't. You take steps to rehabilitate them, to monitor their post-release behavior. But no matter what you do, non-zero still means non-zero.

    The alternative is basically sentence anyone convicted of a crime to either lifetime imprisonment, or a death sentence. Call it the 18th century British version of justice. Sheep stealers and child pickpockets sent to the gallows or transported to Australia.

    I'm not sure we really want to be a society where being convicted of a crime means life in prison. And, from a purely cost-benefit standpoint - the cost to society of imprisoning people forever probably outweighs whatever societal costs accrue to the occasional instance where a released prisoner re-offends.

    You are falling into the trap set for you by a sensationalist media. The thousand released prisoners who don't reoffend don't make the news. The one who does makes the politician or bureaucrat who released him a fool or a villain.
     

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