Another Gun Thread When home defence goes wrong.

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  1. Happybunny macrumors 68000

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    Pretoria, South Africa (CNN) -- A 30-year-old woman was found fatally shot in the upscale Pretoria home belonging to South African Olympian Oscar Pistorius, police said Thursday.
    Police said they have arrested a 26-year-old man -- the same age as Pistorius -- in connection with the shooting and that he will appear in Pretoria magistrate court sometime Thursday.
    Pistorius, nicknamed the "Blade Runner," made history when he became the first Paralympian to compete in the able-bodied Olympics last year.
    Several South African media outlets reported that the woman was mistaken for an intruder. Police Brig. Denise Beukes said she was aware of the reports, but could not confirm them.


    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/14/world/africa/south-africa-blade-runner-shooting/

    Paralympic gold medallist Oscar Pistorius has been arrested by police after a woman was found shot dead at his home in South Africa, it was reported today.

    Local media reported that the woman was his girlfriend and she was shot in the head and arm at his home in Pretoria. He is alleged to have accidentally shot her after mistaking her for a burglar.

    The incident is said to have happened at 4am today. There was speculation in the local press that it may have been a Valentine's Day surprise gone wrong.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...rlfriend-at-home-in-south-africa-8494254.html


    I know that it's not the US, but different country same results.
     
  2. fox10078 macrumors 6502

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    Terrible events... It would be a crazy twist if he shot her.
     
  3. VulchR macrumors 68020

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    Awful tragedy. However, we do not know the facts yet. How can we be sure they did not argue and he lost it? Either way, a loaded gun in a home is ... a loaded gun waiting to go off in the wrong direction at the wrong time.
     
  4. Happybunny thread starter macrumors 68000

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    My point entirely, the gun was in the house because of home protection needs.

    Oscar Pistorius is not a sport or hobby shooter.

    http://www.oscarpistorius.com/
     
  5. fat jez macrumors 68000

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    The BBC are reporting he has been charged with murder and that there have been previous problems at his address.
     
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    So because he mistakenly shoots somebody, ban guns? What about when people do it successfully? Is it therefore a good argument to legalize guns?

    Can't have your cake and eat it too
     
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    There's no good argument for guns.
     
  8. Happybunny thread starter macrumors 68000

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    You show me anywhere that I have on this site ever stated that I want to ban guns.
     
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    Not ANOTHER thread.

    Whether accident or domestic violence...

    Can we just all agree that the presence of a gun has the ability to make interactions between humans more lethal more quickly?
     
  10. TPadden, Feb 14, 2013
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    Sure you can. Oscar competed in the "able bodied" Olympics then a few weeks later in the "Paralympics" in the same place. :D
     
  11. WoodNUFC, Feb 14, 2013
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    If this was indeed a situation where Oscar thought his house was being invaded, people cannot read this story as if it happened in America or the UK. I have quite an extensive family in South Africa and they all fear home invasion. People don't simply break into your home to steal your laptop or tv. They break in, rape or kill you and your family, and then take your stuff. It's very scary!

    With that said, this is truly tragic and shows how quickly self-protection can go wrong.

    Thoughts and prayers go out for the families involved.
     
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    He lived in a high security gated community with armed guards patrolling all the time, a sign of his paranoia was he felt he needed a gun because the security guards might attack him.
     
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    Just because the media reports it, doesn't mean it happened that way.
     
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    You don't "accidentally" shoot someone in the head four times.
     
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    I've not seen that written anywhere. I've seen it said she was shot 4 times in the head and torso.
     
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    I never said that he shot her accidentally.

    I said that people should not try to read this story with an American or British understanding of home invasion.

    Obviously, the situation changes if this was indeed a domestic.

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    Which very well could happen. Just because they work for a security company doesn't mean they wouldn't commit a crime of opportunity.
     
  17. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Even if there was consensus on that one question (and even that is doubtful), there'd still need to be the follow-up, is there anything to be done to decrease the danger posed by firearms?

    And there certainly isn't any consensus in the U.S. over that question.

    Thus we debate.
     
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    I agree that people should observe the 4 basic rules of firearm handling


    1- All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.

    2-Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. (For those who insist that this particular gun is unloaded, see Rule 1.)

    3-Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target. This is the Golden Rule. Its violation is directly responsible for about 60 percent of inadvertent discharges.

    4-Identify your target, and what is behind it. Never shoot at anything that you have not positively identified.

    The single gun rule for the simple minded: Keep your booger hook off the banger switch.
     
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    and neither is the police with his history of domestic disputes......Thus another inflammatory title of a thread to bolsters ones agenda.....Falsely...:rolleyes:
     
  21. Happybunny, Feb 14, 2013
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    Oscar Pistorius’ Domestic Violence Past
    Asked by reporters if she meant “domestic violence,” Denise nodded.

    In 2009, the 26-year-old paralympian, who was the first double amputee to ever compete in the Olympics, was arrested and spent a night in jail after allegedly physically assaulting a 19-year-old girl at his house.

    The girl had been asked to leave a party Oscar was hosting, and when she refused, he slammed the front door on her, incidentally catching the girl’s leg with it. The door-slamming inflicted bruises on the girl, and Oscar was initially charged with assault with intent to cause grievous bodily harm. The next day, the charge was reduced to common assault, and a month later prosecutors dropped the charges.

    Oscar Pistorius Owned A 9-Millimeter Handgun
    In a New York Times article published in 2012 on the “Blade Runner,” the writer detailed Oscar’s gun ownership, as well as his paranoia, writing, “He mentioned that a security alarm in the house had gone off the previous night, and he had grabbed his gun and tiptoed downstairs. (It turned out to be nothing.)” Oscar went on to tell about his 9-millimeter handgun and how he frequently made trips to the gun range — especially late at night.

    This is obviously a tragic, sad story that is only beginning to unfold. Pistorius is scheduled to appear in court in South Africa on Feb. 14.

    http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/02/14...er-domestic-violence-history-girlfriend-shot/



    My point entirely, a gun in the house for defence has to be loaded at all times, otherwise it's just an expensive club.

    But given that this man had a history, this was just a problem waiting to happen.

    A loaded gun in the house, is a double edged weapon, it can save a life or take a life.


    According to some reports he had a history of violence, that of course doesn't mean that he did shoot her on purpose. But it does make you think.
     
  22. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Title could have been, another domestic violence case ends in a shooting.

    From John Hopkins University, Bloomberg School of Public Health ...

    Sounds like the agenda is bolstered one way or another.
     
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    There's no bad argument for guns.

    Then what did you mean by this:

     
  24. webbuzz, Feb 14, 2013
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    Not at all. What about knives, bats, golf clubs, etc..?
     
  25. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    HAH!

    Told ya.

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