Another one of Obama's administration nailed by Beck

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  1. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    So far it sounds as if she has played this first as a quote by someone else, and then as a joke.

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/16/beck.dunn/index.html

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- White House communications director Anita Dunn fired back at criticism from TV commentator Glenn Beck on Friday, saying that a Mao Tse-tung quote Beck took issue with was picked up from legendary GOP strategist Lee Atwater.

    "The Mao quote is one I picked up from the late Republican strategist Lee Atwater from something I read in the late 1980s, so I hope I don't get my progressive friends mad at me," Dunn told CNN.

    As for Beck's criticism: "The use of the phrase 'favorite political philosophers' was intended as irony, but clearly the effort fell flat -- at least with a certain Fox commentator whose sense of irony may be missing."

    On Thursday night's program, Beck showed exclusive video of Dunn discussing the communist leader, who was responsible for a cultural revolution in 1966 that included re-education camps and setting the army and students on witch hunts against his opponents.

    Millions of Chinese suffered or died, most notably teachers, writers, political opponents or anyone deemed a "reactionary."

    Dunn, taped in a speech in what appears to be a church, said the leader's philosophies were a guidepost for her own strategy on politics. She also praised the philosophy used by religious icon Mother Teresa.

    "The third lesson and tip actually comes from two of my favorite political philosophers: Mao Tse-tung and Mother Theresa -- not often coupled with each other, but the two people I turn to most to basically deliver a simple point which is 'you're going to make choices; you're going to challenge; you're going to say why not; you're going to figure out how to do things that have never been done before."


    The video of her delivering the speech is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiBDpL2dExY

    Warning: it is from the beck show but I couldn't find the speech from anywhere else. skip in a few seconds.

    I don't think she has a leg to stand on and I am still trying to figure out why you would give a speech like this at a high school graduation, it strikes me as rather odd, not funny in the least.
     
  2. AP_piano295 macrumors 65816

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    I fail to see any thing wrong with what she said. She in no way advocated Mao's behavior she merely expressed a truth she found in his philosophy.
     
  3. Zombie Acorn thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Shes already started to back track herself and you are defending her. :D Fantastic.

    I suppose if I found a truth in Hitler's philosophy it would be alright to present him as one of my favorite political philosophers to a high school class. Never mind that Mao had thousands of political adversaries killed, thats the kind of person I want someone presenting to my kid on graduation as an inspiration.

    There is something seriously screwed up if you are even bringing up mass murderers in an inspirational speech directed towards high school kids..
     
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    ^Repeat after me: "Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been..."

    Oooooh, scary. :rolleyes:
     
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    Instead of addressing the issue it must be easier to claim someone is trying a "red scare"/fear mongering. This has nothing to do with communism and everything to do with someone thinking it should be fine to bring up a mass murderer in an inspirational speech to high school grads. Im starting to think Obama initiated his recruitment from mars because some of these folks seem to be out there.
     
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    Well, first, as always Beck plays fast and loose with the truth by clipping the video.

    Secondly, I think mentioning the "red scare" is apt. While I disagree with Dunn's choice for 'favorite philosophers,' what's really the issue here?

    Of course, I do seriously question Dunn's judgement for mentioning Mao in a speech since that's undoubtably doing to become an issue for Beck to hump for the next week.
     
  8. Macky-Mac macrumors 68030

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    get to the important stuff!!! did Beck cry when he reported this???? :p
     
  9. Jack Flash macrumors 65816

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    I'm sorry, I couldn't watch the video with her smacking her lips and doing whatever the heck that was with her tongue Gyyuuchchchchch.

    But really I'm sure this is fake controversy and deliberate misinterpretation.
     
  10. Zombie Acorn thread starter macrumors 65816

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    I didn't watch beck so he could have, I saw the article on CNN and searched the video to get some context on how she was saying the words. I found it appalling.

    Her quote was given in the CNN article, the part that I found appalling wasn't edited. The issue here is the president appointed someone who had such a lapse in judgment.
     
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    Well it would be interesting to find out her reasons to find out why she said what she said, rather than chastising her for saying it. Are things really above any form of rational, polite discourse over there? Or does everything have to generate into hysteria because of that ridiculous "news" channel that is actually taken seriously over there?
     
  12. Shivetya macrumors 65816

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    Blame his staff. They are so arrogant and full of themselves they forget to do their jobs. While I don't hold him in high regard I think his staff is even worse.

    They don't vet people because they only look for those who agree with them. Their apparent reaction when cornered is to isolate, ridicule, and such, and they forget in this day and age it backfires quickly.

    The big difference is that under Bush the press was confrontational as a whole, checking out all his nominees. Currently too much of the press is still enthralled with Obama and company and give his nominees a pass. Then comes the internet and suddenly it gets uncovered all the skeletons and people start wondering how person X got by.

    Face it, the CBS debacle with Dan Rather right before the 2004 election proves you can't fool all the people some of the time for very long. If the press doesn't do its job the people will.
     
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    Bush is a mass murderer. I bet people will bring him up in the future in some inspirational speech or another. I'll await your thread discussing it.

    And yet you're humble and objective. :rolleyes:
     
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    Other than a clip that could be wildly out of context, do we have any other evidence that Dunn is the kind of person who would speak seriously of Mao's accomplishments?
     
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    I saw the video and you're right, she does have a strange and annoying way of talking. One could go as far as saying that its disgusting.

    She was making a point about how Mao was against-all-odds early in his political career and overcame the powers that be in the chinese government to rule the country. Also something about how she admired his philosophy.

    I think she could have made the same point without referencing someone who committed one of the worst genocides of the 20th century. Kind of a stupid idea if you ask me.

    She certainly wasn't bringing it up as a joke, she obviously admired Mao Zedong (Tse-tung).
     
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    Agreed. When she wasn't showing her tongue, she was showing a very deep-seeded admiration for Mao Tse-tung.
     
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    Clearly, since conservatives have quoted Mao Tse-tung, it is ok for the current administration to likewise quote him. So glad we got that cleared up. Let's just move on and away from the topic of the OP since we have a winner of the Race To Hypocrisy game.
     
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    "I have here a list of names of conservative and liberals..."

    Yes, I'm playing the McCarthyist theme again. Deal. This is a non-issue.
     
  20. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    So, the conclusion that I draw from your post, is that it somehow only matters if a member of the current administration refers to Mao? Why should anyone take Beck's criticism seriously in that case? What larger point does it prove? In what way is Anita Dunn 'nailed' where Republican figures are not?
     
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    Well, I'm sorry- but I find it ridiculous and HYPOCRYTICAL that you're condemning someone in this administration for something your own guys did.

    Thank you.
     
  22. kavika411 macrumors 6502a

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    You are free as a participant/moderator to draw any conclusion you like. As I've said before and will say again, I think the purpose of the PRSI forum should be nothing but a game of showing hypocrisy on the other side, and not a forum where topics are analyzed on their own terms. If someone is called out by a conservative for doing X, but someone points out that conservatives have also done X (or are likely to do X), then the goal of the PRSI forum is accomplished and we can move on. What I think we must avoid at all costs is analyzing the current topic on its own merits. Using the current thread as an example, I would hate to see a scenario where people - as some have already done here - analyze the best they can whether she meant what she said or whether she was being ironical, or a scenario where people analyze whether it should be acceptable to quote limited aspects of a controversial leader's comments/career. Such analysis may actually make people think about the topic at hand, and that would be terrible. It is much, much better to simply show hypocrisy and call it a day. Don't you agree?
     
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    Birds of a feather, flock together. Go to any university, they are full of these idiots. Look at the backgrounds of his cabinet and advisors, left-wing nut jobs and socialists. They have no clue about life and trying to survive. They are career politicians who in their own minds think they know how we should live.

    This goes for most of the Congress too. Our government is completely out of control. We need to stop them and get back to the basics of what is in the Constitution.
     
  24. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Your sarcastic post certainly isn't helping your position.

    The point is- no one here jumped on conservatives for quoting Mao when they did it, including yourself. So why is it only now that it is important to you? That is a valid point to discuss, because it reeks of partisan pettiness.

    Links for these claims, please. In the future, it might be nice if you included something substantial in your posts. Otherwise, you'll have a very difficult time in here.

    Oh wait- I see your from the place I escaped.
     
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    So you're okay with referencing Mao?


    In that case, "All reactionaries are paper tigers." - Chairman Mao :)
     

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