Anti-American sentiment

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Rampant.A.I., Sep 2, 2012.

  1. Rampant.A.I. macrumors 6502a

    Sep 25, 2009
    One of the things I notice often in PRSI and other parts of the forum is there are a a handful of posters who invade e'ery thread, seemingly with the sole purpose of degrading, insulting, and generally talking down to Americans, simply for being born in a country they don't approve of.

    I'm honestly curious. Why? What's the point of propagandizing every loosely related politics thread you can inject negative sentiment into? Is there a specific set of reasons behind this, or are there actually that many European citizens who spend so much time stewing in nationalistic hatred that they just have to find somewhere to vent it?

    Save for a few choice examples, the PRSI folks are pretty like-minded. So why insult and attack people who generally agree with you, based on their country of origin?
  2. Jackintosh macrumors 6502a


    Mar 21, 2009
    I'm not saying I'm correct on this, but there is a large segment of American political thinking that criticizes anything European - their national health care, social safety systems, subsized university education, and anything EU (i.e., "Brussels").

    The current Repulican agenda likes to blame anything Obama does on his following the principles of "European socialism" (unfairly, by the way).

    So I think what's good for the goose is also good for the gander.
  3. citizenzen macrumors 65816

    Mar 22, 2010
    I would suggest that these opinions are based on American political policies, not Americans in particular. As for "talking down," that simply seems to be par for the course in internet forums. I'd try not to take it personally.
  4. Heilage macrumors 68030


    May 1, 2009
    Guilty as charged, I guess.

    However, I don't have a problem with that many Americans. I'm quite fond of alot of them (including some posters here). I do however, have a problem with many of your policies and politics.
  5. Fazzy macrumors 6502

    Oct 12, 2011
    check the tracking device
    For me its not so much American people as it is your government and its foreign policy. Reading about its national politics doesnt make sense to me either.

    But then again, I critisise all governments foreign policy, including my own. America isn't special, its just in PRSI more often than others.
  6. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

    Thomas Veil

    Feb 14, 2004
    OBJECTIVE reality
    As an American, I don't take offense when European (or other foreign) posters tell us how to run our business. Frankly, at this point this country is getting so ****ed up we should be taking any good advice from any source. We need the brightest international ideas to counter the phony tea party bilge that is poisoning our country thanks to the Kochs.
  7. quasinormal macrumors 6502a

    Oct 26, 2007
    Sydney, Australia.
  8. kavika411 macrumors 6502a


    Jan 8, 2006
    I agree. The GOP has the presidency and, for a period of time, had a super-majority of congress. Anti-American sentiment is clearly directly at the GOP.
  9. Mr. Retrofire macrumors 603

    Mr. Retrofire

    Mar 2, 2010
    This is not the forum of the White House. ;-)
  10. citizenzen macrumors 65816

    Mar 22, 2010
    You may want to wish it away, but the GOP is clearly taking backwards steps in the march towards progress. That's what our friends overseas are responding to.
  11. AhmedFaisal Guest

    What some people, myself included take offense at is the messianic attitude with which US politicians, mainly in the GOP, and some of its citizens try to export it's "values" and political system to the rest of the world. We also take offense at this "we are number 1 in everything" attitude which is not based in reality and even in the areas it is has more than anything to do with throwing money around and importing talent less than being a homegrown phenomenon (i.e. the Life Sciences). Also when it comes to foreign policy both political parties today are muscling their way into other countries business. An example is the incessant lecturing from the likes of Mr. Geithner and company trying to tell Europe how to run it's affairs or the US bullying countries into executing the legal interest of its corporations (Kim DotCom anyone). So yes, people dislike the US, I believe they have reason to. No one likes a bully, even when he has the handsome face and better manners of Barack Obama.
  12. kavika411 macrumors 6502a


    Jan 8, 2006
    I agree. The Democrats have been, are now, and will be a powerless majority. They could have turned things around were they only ... a majorly. Then, and only then, would we be taking steps forward, especially in the eyes of our neighbors.
  13. lewis82 macrumors 68000


    Aug 26, 2009
    Totalitarian Republic of Northlandia
    Here's what I can tell as a Quebecer...

    Here, on a provincial scale, the most right-wing parties are the Liberal Party and the Coalition Avenir Québec (Quebec Future Coalition). Even if they are considered right-wing here, they are still a bit more to the left than your Democrats.

    And then we have a bunch of other parties which are more left-wing (except some underground ones), including the Parti Québécois (which would be called "socialist" in the US), which will very probably win the next election being held tuesday.

    The meaning of this is that the most of the population does not agree with the policies of the American government, especially on some select issues (wars, healthcare, firearms, between others).

    I do not have a problem with the American people, I have a problem with the American politics.
  14. Peace macrumors Core


    Apr 1, 2005
    Space--The ONLY Frontier
    Tell that to the U.S. Senate that requires 60 votes on major bills.

  15. Sydde macrumors 68020


    Aug 17, 2009
    Quite frankly, I do have a problem with the American people. Not most of them, mind you, just the, oh, 50 or 60 million who wave their guns, shout USA! USA! USA! and say that most of the country is just like them.

    When the "if it's tuesday this must be belgium" tour came through town, you saw the librarian from Bloomington Indiana in her brown tweed outfit looking at the historical sites — oh, wait, no, you saw the rotund couple from Chatanooga Tennessee who were dressed like sanitarium escapees, hollering, swilling beer and acting like, well, sanitarium escapees.

    So all of America gets tarred with one brush because some of America acts like morons and/or jerks. And the rest of the country tacitly condones these loud image shapers, possibly because they might have more guns, loaded.

    Yes, the government is not so good, but it is really an almost trivial part of the picture.
  16. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

    Zombie Acorn

    Feb 2, 2009
    Toronto, Ontario
    In Canada most people think the US is better than it actually is. At least from my experience.
  17. NewAnger macrumors 6502a

    Apr 24, 2012
    Denver Colorado
    I think most people criticize other countries other than their own. We'e probably done the same with where you are from.
  18. NickZac macrumors 68000


    Dec 11, 2010
    Need. Better. Worldview.
  19. thewitt macrumors 68020


    Sep 13, 2011
    When you say that the PRSI folks are pretty like minded, that should be a warning sign that you've driven away most of the reasonable folks who want reasoned debate, so you are only left with the fringe....
  20. MorphingDragon macrumors 603


    Mar 27, 2009
    The World Inbetween
    As a Kiwi I reserve the right to be a snarky little ****.

    Like Minded is a subjective term and totally dependent on the subject matter. Also, this is the internet.
  21. Renzatic Suspended


    Aug 3, 2011
    Gramps, what the hell am I paying you for?
    Did someone get out of Moccasin Bend Mental and land themselves on national news again?

    Why do I always miss the cool stuff going down?
  22. Heilage macrumors 68030


    May 1, 2009
    We're all pinko commies, so it wouldn't surprise me. ;)

    It's not only the GOP either (although they do serve up most of the ammunition), it's in part the whole system you guys unfortunately have landed yourselves in, where pretty much all branches of government seems to have been bought out by some kind of industry, it being big oil, tobacco, entertainment or others. It seems to me like the focus of the US government no longer is to preserve the interest and well-being of the common US citizen, just pandering to lobbyists and corporations who certainly don't have the common man's best interests at heart.

    There's also the certain degrees of revisionism and denial of fact on the grounds of it clashing with religious views, like teaching Creationism in Science classes, making textbooks "appropriate" (for a conservative viewpoint), and the general aura of exceptionalism and arrogance the government (and sometimes citizens) portrays. Maybe we also seem arrogant at times, but for different reasons. I must admit that I sometimes feel superior, when we look at things like healthcare and an ironic degree of secularism in spite of a constitutional state church (only applies to Norway, if I'm not much mistaken). This shouldn't be confused with exceptionalism though, I certainly don't think my country is perfect by any stretch, even though I think we're doing okay at the moment.

    So I stumble across the American exceptionalism, but I'm not really clear what it is based upon. Freedom? Such a fleeting concept, certainly people have a freedom to be poor and uneducated, or even criminal, if they grow up in the wrong community. What about the freedom to have social mobility? The freedom to not fear disease, not because of health but because it bankrupts anyone in the middle class or below?

    End of rant...
  23. Andeavor macrumors 6502

    Aug 19, 2010
    Didn't your government just recently vote in favor of separation of church and state?
  24. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a


    Apr 20, 2009
    So do a lot of us American people!! :D
  25. Fazzy macrumors 6502

    Oct 12, 2011
    check the tracking device
    This is the funniest thing i've seen in prsi for a long time :D

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