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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by aquajet, May 28, 2007.
Go home, and bless you mom. You have done so much, for so many. It is time for those who believe to stand tall. Anyone listening?
Army Specialist Casey Sheehan - Someone You Should (Have) Know(n)
Some of us would have a different opinion.
Personally, when I first went into the military, I informed my family and close friends that should I die while serving my country, honor my death and do not partake in actions such as what this person has done.
BTW, most of my fellow comrades in arms feel the same way. We have volunteered to serve our country. While we do not wish to die, if we meet our end, it is because we volunteered to be put in harms way. No one forced us to sign on the dotted line.
It's an embarrassment to all Americans that we sent our soldiers into war so foolishly and equally embarrassing at how Cindy Sheehan was treated. Those horrendous cable shows made her out to be insane and were so cruel to her. She to me symbolizes that common sense is more intelligent than all the spin-meisters who worked at the CIA and White House to construct this war. I know some liberals stopped supporting her when she expressed dissapointment with the Democrats response to her calls for action. She was right to call the Democrats on their inaction. I am a liberal who shares her views that the Democrats have been far too reactive to this situation. I don't care what it takes. Impeach. Cut off funding. Do something. I understand her frustration although I will never be able to feel the anguish she has been through.
I understand what you are saying. And I understand it is true for you. But when you say you informed other people what to think and do if you were to die, doesn't it seem like you're not leaving space for them to be people with their own feelings and truths and understandings? Of course you entered a high risk job and you find a peace with that or try to, but I don't that everyone who enters a high risk job is entitled to tell other people how they are allowed to react to that. This might sound crass, but if a soldier dies, the soldier doesn't deal with the death, the family does. It could even be considered selfish by a family, especially with children, for one member of the family to enter a high risk profession. I'm not sure how to say it without sounding crass, but it's the same reason a lot of people think it's irresponsible for a parent to ride a motorcycle. I understand that it's OK for you, but it might not be for the families of people, and I think it's a line that we should avoid when we tell other people what to do or think.
Cindy Sheehan's son joined for all the right reasons, but Cindy Sheehan knows he was sent to war for all the wrong reasons. A stiff upper lip just means more and more people will die. It's in no way the military's fault. The military is sworn to protect the Constitution. But this is something else. This is power without conscience run amok.
It sounds like Cindy Sheehan found out the hard way how bruising and unforgiving politics can be. After she became an antiwar celebrity she probably began to harbor the illusion that she alone could alter the course of events. For one person to accomplish this is a rare thing. Disappointment combined grief and anger. Not a good way to go.
Pretty selfish of you.
Burials are for the dead and funerals and or memorials are for the living. Why would you deny the living the chance to express their grief in the way they best see fit?
Most people don't want a big fuss upon their own demise, however, when someone joins the military they become a public servant and those who live in the public eye.....
Yes, how dare she be upset her son died for reasons we still don't know. No WMDs, no links to 9/11, lack of equipment, lack of planning, and we're still there years later with no end in sight. I'd be mad if my friends or family who have been over there had died as well. I'd be asking questions and getting even more frustrated when they weren't answered. Pat Tillman's family feels the same way. Pat himself felt that way. Over half of the soldiers themselves feel that way. You can disagree with her all you want, but you didn't lose your loved one in a war you disagreed with, for a reason none of us know. She did. And it's people like you that made things worse for her, that made that pain worse.
For that reason, I don't blame her. She accomplished some of what she tried to do. We're questioning this war, not wanting any other Mothers to lose their children. But they are. More and more people are dying. Our politicians are letting us down, and they're letting the troops down. So you can't even call it a hollow victory. Can't blame her for trying though, at least she did try.
Uh.. but the reality here is.. our soldiers are NOT serving the country.. they are merely sacrificing their lives.. being played as puppets by the d*ckheads counting all the profits from oil. The thing that makes me boiling mad is to see all these young people dying in vain.. and then watching Bush give a speech on memorial day on how he feels terrible for all these lives lost.. and about 'freedom' etc.. what a hypocrite.
But, unfortunately.. most people in this country lack the common sense to examine these events.. and simply trust the president regardless of facts or logic. Cindy is one of those who did their homework.. checked the facts.. looked at indisputible proof that this war was a sham.. and realized that she lost her son for nothing. Literally, nothing.
And the war claims one more victim as collateral damage. Cindy Sheehan's fate is cruel; let us also remember that she is but the most famous of all the family members who have to go on without a child, without a provider, without a spouse or father or mother. We mourn easily, and well we should, for the soldiers who die for no purpose, but we should also remember all those families who have been ripped apart by this and who suffer emotional, physical or financial hardships as a result.
I'm sure this announcement will bring out one last round of Cindy-bashing in the conservative hate media. But I hope she can someday find the peace she deserves.
Meanwhile, military recruiters are swarming US high schools and colleges by holding government funding for these schools hostage. Unfortunately for many students, they're being spun stories by said recruiters about how enlisting is a great way out of their dead-end life or situation. I note with great sadness that while at private/public universities with a greater number of people from wealthy backgrounds, students stage protests and try to get the recruiters removed even though many of these people hardly know anyone who's served in Iraq; poorly funded public universities and high schools have a situation where people are actually interested in listening to these recruiters - even though you have disillusioned classmates who've returned from Iraq spouting about how they don't want to go back or how they were lied to.
Oh, don't forget the CRAZY amount of advertising going on trying to recruit younger people. America's Army, for starters, and ads everywhere - billboards, magazines, swag from job fairs, tv, advertisements before movies...
None of these people are being forced to sign on the dotted line by having a gun pointed at their head, but what is actually happening is no better.
I am a combat veteran too and BTW most of your 'fellow comdades' do not feel that way. Were you actually in combat?
Glad to hear this....
She can get a lot more help from a counselor now that she's no longer a tool of the Moveon.org crowd.
Protesting for what you believe in doesn't make you any less of a patriot. At least she tried to stand up for what she believed in, and I respect her immensely for that. I only wish she wasn't giving up, even though I may not have agreed with what she stood for.
Yes, and for awhile she reasonably believed that she wasn't alone in her quest. I never had a problem with her protests, but it disturbed me to see how her situation was exploited by some members of the Democratic party and the media. When she first started her protests, she was like a rock star and there was round-the-clock coverage of her activities. But at some point she was no longer useful to those "supporters", and now I can't even remember the last time (before now) that I heard her name mentioned.
It's one thing to put yourself in harms way to protect your country, but
altogether different when soldiers are being sacrificed for the sake of
Historically most wars have meant at least one side doing just that. The top 2% have used the rest of us as cannon fodder to keep them rich and powerful for centuries.
And funnily enough, those that have questioned it have always been labelled traitors. Great species aren't we?
She wasn't alone, and the organization she started apparently will live on. She became a tool of both war supporters and protesters. I'm sure you will recall, quite a lot of truly reprehensible things were said about her. The fact is, Cindy Sheehan wasn't fully prepared to live in the media and political spotlight, the way it burns flesh these days. And who would be, really?
I don't blame Sheehan for the public and the media's short attention spans, or for the vicious manipulations that are so common in today's politics. Whether she realizes it or not, her public protests played a part in changing the nation's opinion about the war in Iraq. She may not see it now, but I believe when the history of this period is written, there will be a place in it for Cindy Sheehan's two years of protest. It might even be called a turning point.
In very general terms, I've found that most of the people who were the strongest supporters of this administration on the war in Iraq earned their living in some way related to defense contracting.
Many others were simply too gullible to see through the smokescreen of lies and deception.
Agreed. I don't believe anyone takes delight in that she's lost not only her son, but her marriage and finances, but those casualties can be included in the collateral damage of this atrocious war.
Her cause and intent will no doubt continue to be scrutinized from all sides, but in my opinion, they point to the importance of being an activist from the inside, out. Activity and the public platform are no substitutes for the personal grief work she probably still needs to do. I hope she can get that kind of help, now that she's retreated from the running course.
If there's any blame, it rests on the ill advised, naive, attention-deficit knee-jerk launching of an invasion in to Iraq while having abandoned, once again, Afghanistan and the pursuit of UBL.
It took you 14 whole posts before you could bash her?!
What? Did you forget to take your vitamins today?
Here is another one: She's nuts!
Have a nice day.
Nice. As if anyone needed to prove my point.