Antonin Scalia Says Constitution Allows Government To Persecute Atheists

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  1. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    Well there you go we are a Christian nation.
    http://www.veooz.com/news/jHXUdiM.html
    During a speaking event in front of a crowd of 400 people at Colorado Christian University, the conservative judge made it clear how ignorant he is of what the Constitution says when he said that separation of church and state doesn't prohibit government from treating non-believers as second class citizens and that government can uphold Christianity if it wants to do so.
     
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    Political commentator Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks on Justice Scalia's comments at Colorado Christian University...

     
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    He is absolutely correct. The U.S. government does not tax churches, mosques, or temples; however, the U.S. government does levy confiscatory levels of taxes against me, and I am an atheist. However, this state of affairs has continued for years under both Democratic and Republican administrations. I don't see it ending any time soon.
     
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    Although it's of the Absurdist persuasion, I'm hoping The First Church of Waiting for Godot will prove to be game changer in that regard.
     
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    Would the hobby lobby decision be proof enough for you?
     
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    I am not a constitutional scholar but even though we may be labelled as a nation of Christians, there is nothing Christian about persecuting atheists or anyone else for that matter.
     
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    What about witches?
     
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    Well, that's your choice. Just don't do it in the name of Christianity :)
     
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    This is what happens when you put theists with religious based agendas in positions of authority in a so-called secular country?
     
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    Ummm the government taxes the people regardless of the their religion.
     
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    I feel like this guy shouldn't be a supreme court justice....

    He seems to absolutely despise the constitution.
     
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    There is a difference between the way Governments tax organizations and the way it taxes individuals.

    The US Govt. may grant a tax-free exemption to a Church, Mosque, or Temple - but you may rest comfortably assured that it does tax the Priests, Imams, and Rabbis who work there, and taxes them exactly the same as it does the atheist and the believer alike.

    You may certainly organize a non-profit atheist organization, dedicated to proving the non-existence of God and educating your fellow citizens. And such an organization can operate in precisely the same tax-free way that religious organizations do.

    Scalia is obviously something of a Charlatan - but lets not get too carried away with the idea we are living in a Theocracy. We (fortunately) aren't.
     
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    Scalia's remarks appear to center on the Establishment Clause. If that's correct then he is accurate.

    The Establishment Clause prohibits the central government from establishing a state religion, as England had done (to allow a king to divorce). Period.

    I'm not advocating discrimination against anyone, but this topic is founded on reading meaning into the Establishment Clause that just isn't there. (Such as "separation of church and state.")

    The government is free to write other laws to prohibit discrimination through the legislative process, and it has.
     
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    Agreed but IMO this is a fundamental misconception of what our founding fathers were trying to achieve with the principle of separation of church and state. The idea was for the state to remain neutral and not to establish or endorse any particular religion, nor suppress the exercising of any religion or non-religion. With that said, unless a state is comprised entirely of atheists, it is naive to think that there will be no religious influence whatsoever on a state whose government is based on democracy and its citizens are a majority of believers.
     
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    The source for the OPs story is the Washington Times. These quotes are from their site ...

    The problem is there's no such thing as "religion" a general, all encompassing faith. There are many different forms of religion, few which agree one another's views or could be represented over some kind of umbrella of belief.

    So inevitably there has to be a choice of which religion to favor.

    It's in the picking and choosing of faiths, that the Establishment Clause is violated.

    If you could find a way for all faiths to be included, then you might have a case ... however, that kind of watered down, politically correct, honoring of faiths is exactly opposite of what true believers want to see. Christians don't want to be lumped in with Muslims, Wiccans and Peyote eaters ... although I think that would be pretty cool.

    Before we begin this City Council meeting please let us take a moment to honor God, Mother Earth, Satan, the Peyote God and all the little fairies in your backyard garden.

    Way cool.
     
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    Let's not forget the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

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    I was striving for the Dadaist persuasion, but hey!
     
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    Just like obama. More than happy to circumvent it P-A/NSA/NDAA.
     
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    Relevant because....
     
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    Just like Scalia. Should not be in a position of power
     
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    Scalia was appointed. Obama was elected.

    See the difference ?
     
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    Your "arrest and impeach everyone in power" mantra is really getting old. If a President is violating the Constitution, it's SCOTUS's job to put a stop to it. If anything, Supreme Court Justices should be held to an even higher standard than a president.
     
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    Ah, but back in 2005, when the Supreme Court was ruling on whether displaying the ten commandment in government buildings violated the Establishment clause, Scalia made it perfectly clear that he thinks the law should give preferential treatment to certain religions.
     
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    Said nothing about arrest. Simply stated they should not be in power. Unlike many here my position does NOT shift based on what magical letter a politician has next to his name
     
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    And it's not suspicious at all that you pointed that out completely unprovoked.
     
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    As Peace pointed out, the president is an elected official. He is there by the will of the people, and will leave when his second term is over. This is in stark contrast to a Supreme Court justice likes Scolia. We had no say in his appointment, and he will remain in that position until he chooses to retire (or dies).
     

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