Antonin Scalia

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  1. Benjamin Frost, Feb 22, 2016
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    I was sorry to hear of the recent death of Antonin Scalia. He was a strong defender of liberty and I feel his mind would have been a great asset in the current 1984 atmosphere that is pervading the US in these troubled times. When it comes to the FBI's demands to remove the encryption on the iPhone, we could do with a mind of his stature to take on these dark forces.

    Once can only hope that he will have have inspired many to take up the cause of liberty and fight against all who would destroy the privacy of humans around the world. That Obama, the President of the most powerful state on earth, is at the forefront of this attack on freedom, puts the world into as much danger as it suffered during the Cold War.

    Just as in 1984, where war was an end in itself to justify the total subjugation of the people, terrorism is today used as an excuse by the US government to eliminate the freedom and privacy of all.
     
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    Scalia had many qualities we might admire. Alas, in the end his Originalist leanings broke down in what boiled down to "except for those things that I'm not comfortable with".

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    Hey, that's great. I love satire.
     
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    What about the liberty of woman's uterus?
     
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    Are you kidding me? Scalia was a monster. The Supreme Court will be a vastly better place for his absence.
     
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    Oh Ok, not a big fan of fiction with 1 major exception and Orwell ain't it.
     
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    IMO Orwell should be required reading just for living in the modern world. I re-read Animal Farm every decade or so because I see echoes of it all around me. 1984 as well, but I don't enjoy reading that over and over.

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    I presume Orwell gained fame and renown for a reason ,,, Just could never get my head around fiction when there is so much history and reality to deal with.
     
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    Actually understanding history requires reading the satire of the period. Twain, Voltaire, Swift, Orwell, etc... all frame the history of the times they were written in.

    Unfortunately, most of the satire of our times is short form.

    To bring this back on topic:

    Mitch McConnell Has Hands, Vocal Cords Removed To Prevent Self From Holding Hearing On Scalia Replacement

    http://www.theonion.com/article/mitch-mcconnell-has-hands-vocal-cords-removed-prev-52385


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    Blah. The guy was not a respectable person. I'm not necessarily glad that he died. I would have preferred to see his retirement years ago. The guy was nothing more than a hypocritical monster.
     
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    You know, there is one thing which never seems to get brought up when people talk about Orwell or his works: The man was a strong proponent of Democratic Socialism.
     
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    Personal opinion presented as fact does not make it a fact - In the end, that is your opinion and preference. I do not require heavy doses of fiction to understand history, the marks those men made with their gifted imagination and writing talent are anecdotal at best, with their effect fading further and further with each passing day. I doubt if you could find 1 child 8 to 14 years old out of 50 who have ever heard of any of them, much less have read any of their stories.
    I find the most potent mark left by a man like Twain, who indeed had an ultra sharp wit and perception beyond belief, were his 1st hand accounts of the social issues of his day. Many of his views would be considered racist and slanderous today by all the usual suspects, so some that praise his fiction might condemn his reality if they knew about it. I personally do not think we have a very stable perch to judge matters like that from hindsight.

    I have greatly preferred history [especially warfare] and contemporary issues since childhood, so that is not about to change.
    The only fiction I have really gotten in to was Jack London, an extraordinary writer - And oh, I do enjoy the Twilight Zone too now and then.
     
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    Quite frequently I disagreed with Scalia.

    However one of the very reasons I was compelled to follow him closely was the fact he was indeed a very brilliant man. So much so that many felt threatened by his depth of knowledge, his command of the English language and culture.

    Those who make coarse disparaging statements are revealing their very own intellectual shortcomings. Unable to understand, no matter if they disagree, still reveals their insecurities and lack of desire to learn and grow.
     
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    Ah huh... so I'll ask again: How is Obama a hypocrite for neither acting like nor declaring himself Muslim?
     
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    Clearly!

    To stay on topic. Scalia's own sharp tongue and wit were not developed on the basis of law books alone!

    In fact he quoted fiction at least once from the bench http://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2007/06/scalia-and-torture/227548/

    The problem is more that they have heard of them, but without any of the cultural/historical context and in the form of TV/movies presented as pure fiction. The oldest of the bunch I listed, Gulliver's Travels was recently made into a Jack Black vehicle. The rest are continually adapted and borrowed from as they represent the essence of our human nature, and the history we are doomed to repeat if we do not understand it.

    I re-read Animal Farm regularly, not because I enjoy fiction about animals or because I want to revisit the facts of the Soviet revolution, but because the patterns of human interaction are common when you remove the names, dates and labels.

    If anything this is a failure of our educational system if 8-18 year olds do not manage to read at least one of Gulliver's Travels, Candide, the Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Nineteen Eighty Four or Animal Farm in their proper context in a Social Sciences course.

    At least in my 12 and 14 year old's school system they realize that History / Geography and English overlap and are taught together with a common syllabus each supporting the other with common themes.

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