Any equivalent to American politics?

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  1. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 603

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    I don't know much about politics from other countries, besides Brazil, Jamaica, Guyana, and Botswana, cause of my family.

    Everything I know about other country's politics, is from mainstream media, documentaries, and Youtube.

    Basically, politics everywhere else seems boring and people take it much more serious compared to American politics. Of course there is corruption, bias propaganda, and etc, everywhere else too.

    But what makes American politics so comical, eventful, based on such superficial things, and etc?
    Is it the American culture? .......Two party system?....... Diversity?....... Freedom? ..........

    Is anyone from a country that's similar to the grandstanding of American politics?
     
  2. Snoopy4 macrumors 6502a

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    We openly discuss it. It's our true national pass time, not baseball.

    The more I travel, the less concerned I am about US political discourse. It's a lot of rhetoric, but people eventually kiss and make up. In other countries, people can be complete drones on one end of the spectrum or they kill each other on the other end. I had no idea until recently that running for mayor in the Philipines was a potential death sentence.

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...toral-violence-hits-the-philippines-g0fvb6vfn

    What's more intriguing is how people from other parts of the world want to stick their nose in it and tell us what to think. It's almost comical.
     
  3. shinji macrumors 65816

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    Politics in the US are shifted to the right compared to the rest of the developed world. In other countries, gun control is the norm, healthcare for all isn't considered an idealistic socialist wet dream, and comparatively few people are trying to ban abortion. Other countries have their scandals and political soap operas too, but there isn't the same range of hot-button topics to fight over and sensationalize in the media.
     
  4. smallcoffee macrumors 6502a

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    Meh, stuff like gay marriage and marijuana legalization are still contentious issues in other developed countries. Same thing with censorship, freedom of speech, privacy issues. Firearm control is not really a left or right issue in a vacuum, there isn't anything progressive about controlling firearms.

    The U.S. Also doesn't have far-right nationalist parties like even progressive liberal utopia places like Denmark do. While conservatives have been (appropriately) complaining about the border with Mexico for some time, most of the rhetoric about immigration is a pretty recent phenomenon. It was funny when the Pope was criticizing the U.S. for not just like having open borders. He lives in a literal walled city. Can I just pack up my bags and fly to France and just live there without border control? No. So why is everybody up in arms about the U.S. trying to actually secure its borders? Hypocrisy mainly, or perhaps stupidity.
     
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    The United States of america is the only country in the world that has a constitutional guarantee to free speech.

    In the rest of the world things are not discussed openly because of fear of legal consequences.
     
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    Until or unless we are a one-world government, is there any logic in understanding specific nuances of other governments we would not be allowed to participate in? To a certain level, to understand differences can be positive, especially as Western countries have various advantages with freedoms.

    That's pretty much all of us, though I pity those who think daytime TV shows like Judge Hoodwink and Dr Foolya even begin to reflect what's going on today, apart from a veneer that's easier for them to cash in on.

    Didn't more people vote for American Idol back in the latter half of last decade?

    The guess is anyone's to make.

    Probably everyone, in one form or another? Or, perhaps, noone.
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    +1, on all counts.

    Heck, the last I heard, Elton John told the media how was against gay marriage in the UK. That was several years ago, almost a decade. He may have had other musings since then. I too prefer "civil unions" than trying to upend a religious institution effectively given special treatment by various tax laws.
     
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    Politics in the U.S. is comical and superficial, because most people here have no idea what they are talking about. We lack a culture of genuine political education, yet people blabber on and on about it like they understand.

    Civics classes are a joke.

    We are comparatively isolated from the rest of the world, intellectually.

    This is a country where "Liberal" equals "Leftist", the former Soviet Union and China are considered communist nations (they are not). Barack Obama is a far-Left radical and the Republican Party in 2016 is center-Right. These are things people actually say and believe.

    Adults in the U.S. tend to be politically ignorant, not understanding the words they try to use.
     
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    They're not a joke. They don't exist. The closest or school system offers is a nine week course for seniors called American Government. Too little too late.
     
  9. Snoopy4 macrumors 6502a

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    Which is pretty concerning. When exactly did this shift occur in the public school system? It's results are apparent.
     
  10. VulchR macrumors 68020

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    The other difference between the US and Europe that I have noticed is the lack of toxic news and opinion outlets in Europe. Listening to Fox News* scares the bejesus out of me, for they actively promote hatred of the left. After 5 minutes of watching their FOX's presenters' snarling, frowning faces, the morbid curiosity wears off and I switch to other channels. However, I imagine there are many people who don't, and that makes me wonder if Americans will ever have polite, constructive political discussion again.

    *Actually Fox Propaganda would be more accurate. They make RT look a beacon of journalistic integrity.
     
  11. LIVEFRMNYC thread starter macrumors 603

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    I would have thought the opposite, since some European countries have worst tabloids than America. So I figured it might be the same with politics, especially with the UK.
     
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    It's not even a public school thing. I went to a private school and I had "social studies" but not civics. Either way,I didn't take it very seriously. I did have a government course which was pretty good, but honestly as a senior everyone was just wanted to not do anything. I think 9th or 10th grade would be a good time to start
     
  13. bradl macrumors 68040

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    I take it you've never been to somewhere like Australia or New Zealand, let alone the UK, otherwise you'd know how much of a crock your statement is.

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    My experience is the opposite: most of the rest of the world are cynical and passive with regard to politics. There are few or no equivalents to Occupy Wall Street and other grass-roots organization. If they do involve themselves in politics it's for narrow parochial interests like the French taxi drivers protesting brilliantly innovative American companies like Uber.
     
  15. Technarchy macrumors 603

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    Every nation has their nuances, it's that no one gives two ***** about the politics of most nations, therefore most people don't bother looking into them.

    Notice the amount of international posters completely wrapped up in the USA's politics, but you'll be hard pressed to find American posters all taken and butthurt over politics in Australia, England or wherever.

    I also think American politics and government is really easy to follow. We have the GOP and DEMS, the House and Senate, the White House, and SCOTUS. Then there is the relatively short and simple constitution. Plus the nation is very young. There is no 2000 years to catch up on.
     
  16. LIVEFRMNYC thread starter macrumors 603

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    I remember seeing the Taxi protests from media and personal recordings on Youtube. The thing about that is, it didn't seem like grandstanding for the media. One of many reasons it got a lot of media attention cause some famous girl(can't remember who) was caught in the middle.

    I feel like in America, it would have been more of an organized spectacle vs just anger, which is what I mean by more serious. Those cabbies in France didn't give a damn if the media was there or not.

    That's true. With some countries, I can't keep up with the amount of candidates and/or parties/tribes/etc: they have on the ballots. But then again, their politics is not second nature to me.
     
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    Toxic vitriol in written news seems to have less of an impact that that of talk and news shows. I think it is easier to wind somebody up with human presenters than with the written word, but it is true that the tabloid press in the UK can be fairly outrageous.
     
  19. The-Real-Deal82 macrumors 601

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    America is perhaps the only Western country I can think of where having liberal views is seen as something negative. This seems to feed right into politics too.
     
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    Here, we have another ignorant and culturally isolated American.

    This behavior is typical of those in our country who like to involve themselves in political discussion, talking and talking and talking, thinking themselves wise and informed, but really having no education outside of popular media narratives and internet memes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Occupy_movement_protest_locations
     
  21. Limey77 macrumors regular

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    Sadly this thread showcases what is wrong with American politics in a nutshell.

    Thinking that other countries are less passionate about politics is very condescending. Hell we had nearly 1/60th of our population marching in London against the war on Iraq. When has America ever had five million people marching together against a government policy?

    Unfortunately for the rest of the world American style politics is now growing. Look at Australia and New Zealand. Now the whole EU referendum has been a prime example of how the UK is debasing itself and stooping to US levels. Focusing on fear, race, immigration and trying to tear not only towns and cities but communities and even families apart. And look where that has led us - the murder of Jo Cox MP.

    I hope we here in the UK can take a good look at politics and how to behave like adults. I always welcome open debate and differing opinions but the current levels of hatred and vitriol are bad and dangerous.

    Hopefully American-style gutter politics riddled with money and hatred stays in the US. However I fear it won't and the rest of us will join the race to the bottom.
     
  22. yaxomoxay macrumors 68000

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    The strength of American politics is in local politics, too bad not many realize it.
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    Current? Please.
    MLK
    JFK
    Sadat
    Moro
    Bhutto
    Gandhi
    Lincoln
    Faisal
    Rabin
    Franz Ferdinand
    and so many more, without going into mass revolt movements a la 1960's, or genocides, and so on. Violence has always been part of politics, anytime and anywhere and for many reasons.
     
  23. Snoopy4 macrumors 6502a

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    Yikes. That wasn't my experience at all. We started in 4th grade with State, 5th Federal, 6th Foreign. We rehashed it in 7th and 8th with the addition of State and Federal Constitutions which was more focused on the Civics aspects. It was again reinforced all four years of High School.
     
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    Exactly my experience. We were force-fed all that knowledge. I remember a teacher running into our government class yelling "They shot Sadat!" We spent the rest of class discussing the implications on the Arab-Israeli peace process. This was a public school, too.
     
  25. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Hate Speech is free speech? That is a hell of a long stretch, even for you.


    I recommend you study up on positive and negative rights, pertaining to freedom of speech. For example:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_by_country#United_Kingdom

    Further:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_by_country#Australia

    From Lange:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lange_v_Australian_Broadcasting_Corporation

    I refer you again to the above regarding Negative Rights.

    If you honestly think that you have a right to hate speech, you truly are showing your true colours, which one would think that Germany and its citizens would have learned their lessons 71 years ago. Perhaps those who truly are ignorant to their own history are doomed to repeat it.

    BL.
     

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