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Discussion in 'Community' started by SPG, Jan 22, 2003.
So... a rather radical author writes down a huge list of generalizations about people who drive SUV's and you think it is newsworthy?
He's a hippy, he can't help it. While I think the SUV bashing is a joke, (Especially WWJD and the Huffington crap) I certainly am looking forward to the hybrid electric Jeeps, Xterra's, Hummers, etc...... of the future. I would love to get 40-50mpg in my SC Frontier crew cab
What these people fail to understand is that if they go after the vehicles and their owners, it's just going to backfire and make them look like the tree huggers that they are....... But if they do less bashing of the vehicles and their drivers, and instead push for faster development of the hybrid - electric engines, then no one will oppose them, because everyone wants a vehicle with good gas mileage
Settle down there tough guy. I just thought it was funny that an auto maker would go out and research the negative aspects of any of their customers.
For the record I do not own an SUV. When I bought a new car last year I considered the Durango, Xterra, and even the ML320. But in the end, they all use too much gas, are too big to fit easily in my garage, and the rollover effect blew the safety question out of the water.
When I put this up I was hoping to stir up some debate on the merits and disadvantages of the SUV's from the people who own them. A defense of their vehicle choice.
Ask anyone who lives up in the mountains near a ski resort and they will tell you that most of the vehicles that wind up in the ditch are SUV's. Why is that? If the SUV is no better at staying on the road even in the mountains where they're supposed to be designed for, than what good are they?
i find much more arrogant drivers in 18 wheeler trucks, tricked out hondas and acuras, muscle cars covered with primer, and fast, red sportscars of almost every make
many if not most suv drivers are from that 1946-64 generation and are thus older and less likely to drive the thing like many of the teenagers i have seen...me included when i first got a license...he he
There is no worse driver in the world then a soccer mom in a volvo. She's usually driving the thing because she's already been in about 10 accidents, and since Volvo's are like tanks, she throws caution to the wind, plowing through stop signs, yield signs, red lights, etc.....
...yeah women! and blacks! and homosexuals! and jews too! oh oh and the mexicans! Yeah! There all the problem!
Wow you have issues don't you
It's funny how liberals will just bash and insult you after you disagree with them.....but they never really respond to the arguments in your posts. It's just "yhea well your ignorant and Bush is a crook and you piss me off" .........& why don't the Liberals respond? Because they have no argument. They are full of **** and they know it, and they're just looking for a reason to put on gas masks and throw bricks through glass windows during G8 summits. Hippies
SPG, you need to be dropped off in Moscow, in January, without your passport, and see if you can make it out alive. You have too long been shacked up in your comfortable, upper-middle class liberal shangri-la. We should broadcast it as a new reality-TV-mini-series, "Reality Check", on FOX.
Christ! Here we go again. All liberals are touchy-feely tree-hugging hippies! You're a joke! A complete and utter joke! And you're hatred of people whose lifestyle or ideology is to the left borders on racism. He was responding to the fact that you nastily generalized a liberal soccer mom in her volvo. Get a clue.
I contributed to the anti-SUV campaign that Arianna Huffington recently started. And I'm proud of it. The anti-drug campaign the anti-SUV ads parody are a joke and deserve to be parodied. And SUV's are one of the most gluttonous pieces of machinery a person can own these days.
Explain to me why you think SUVs are either necessary or not evil. They consume a non-renewable natural resource at an alarming rate which contributes to pollution which constributes to global warming, not to mention increasing our counry's reliance on Mid-Eastern oil. The are also very dangerous when compared to a car. They much more likely to roll over than a car and their size makes them dangerous to other cars on the road.
For me, the environmetal threat that is embodied by America's love of these behemoths is quite alarming. Why does a person living in the Chicago need a vehicle that can cover terrain better than a small truck? I know so many people who own SUVs and then only use them for their commute every morning; probably the least efficient form of transportation available used every morning for a commute. Its a joke!
Whats the appeal of these things? Is it a status symbol? Is it to compensate for something small in the drawers? What can justify the environmental and political threat these things pose?
we have a grand cherokee. we have a boat. we use the grand cherokee to tow the boat. you find me a small car, or even a small suv, that can pull a 24' boat. grant it, we don't pull the boat everywhere we go, but it's just an incentive for those summer weekends.
also, we are in colorado. weather is unpredictable sometimes and it's nice to know that our suv can handle anything mother nature can throw at us in the urban jungle. whenever we find time, we like to go hiking and do other outdoor acitivities in the mountains. have you ever tried making it up a pretty steep, long driveway (to get to a cabin) all drenched in snow or mud and lots of reasonably sized dips and such in a honda civic? i have and will never try again.
what i am trying to point out is that suvs are sometimes used for what they're meant for. others just like to know that the capability is there if the need ever arises.
also, spg, i'd say you can make the same argument for trucks, yes? i see tons of those around.
btw, i'm not an suv fanatic or anything. we got 4 vehicles. only one of those is an suv.
"They are more restless, more sybaritic, and less social than most Americans are. They tend to like fine restaurants a lot more than off-road driving, seldom go to church and have limited interest in doing volunteer work to help others."
You mean to tell me some upidy DC sh*t spent $60,000 on an SUV and he doesn't intend to strap a wench on it, put 32's on it, lift it 4" and take it mudding? You don't say....
I like how he associates bad characteristics of society with a bad characteristic of society. What's next? The brilliant paper that concludes "Smokers don't like to exercise"?
Restless? Yeh.. I'm a Jeep owner.
Good to see someone's backing up 3777 with his pseudo-threatening posts towards liberals.
How exactly would dropping a liberal off in Moscow without a passport in January teach him a lesson abut anything.
"Do you speak english? No? Do you? Thank God. Where is the American embassy? Ten blocks that way? Thank you."
At the embassy...
"I'm an American citzen and I lost my passport. I'd like to get in touch with my family so I can get home. ... Thanks so much for you help."
Wow your right. I bet he'd see the light and turn to ther right after that ordeal. Or do you mean that he should see the result of years of communism at work? Thats a little warmer, but the fact that people are resorting to associating leftism to communism (or even socialism) just shows how out of touch they are with reality. And its a little scary. If people think I endorse communism, that scares me a bit.
SPG's post was in response to 3777's liberal bashing and stereotyping. Anyone with the slightest amount of objectivity can see that.
I drive an SUV...
I drive an SUV and proud of it. I also consider myself a Democrat.
But you are not the type of person that this article, or the anti-SUV ad campaign targets. If we were really out to stop all wasteful emmisions we'd target the trucking industry or something. And how practical would that be.
The point is that the number of Americans that own SUVs is out of proportion with the number of American's who have a use for SUVs. The rest own them for reasons altogether different (and which are quite honestly a mystery to me).
SUVs are built for rough terrain, bad weather and hauling things. Only a fraction of SUVs are actually used for their designed purpose. And more and more SUVs are being built with a comfort factor similar to sedans. Which only underscores the point that American's aren't using them for their "rugged" activities.
My Mom and Dad own a car, a mini-van and a small truck. The truck is used by my little brother for outdoor activities (including his hunting trips). The van is used to haul stuff (and people) for the various activities my parents participate in (they are heavily involved in the schools). The car is used most frequenly and for everything else. Just because we own a, relatively, ineffecient truck, doesn't make my parents part of the problem. They live in a very rural and woodsy area and have a use for it.
Its not all black and white. But the statistics show there is an avoidable excess of these gas guzzling monsters on the road. I object to that.
I don't think you have ever been to an Eastern-block country. It will never be as easy as: "I'm an American citzen and I lost my passport. I'd like to get in touch with my family so I can get home. ... Thanks so much for you help.". NEVER. I know first hand.
My point was trying to make a living in a society where you have to struggle for EVERYTHING. All the pitty crap of, oh, he is liberal bashing and stereotyping, is absolutely meaningless. Real issues get obfuscated because you resort to screaming bloody murder when someone points out the obvious.
I do believe liberals are socialists - I also believe most western Europan countries are socialist as well. It's not a bad thing - I am not calling you names, it's simply the way things are. When you expect to redistribute wealth and overall stand for the liberal agenda, you are a socialist!
The majority of the time when I get into a hairy situation driving, it is a woman in a VOLVO/SUV! It's a fact that it gives them a false sense of security. For SPG to start dragging race and religion into this is uncalled for.
Om my god your so full of crap it's not even funny. Your a complete hypocrite...... besides I thought you were done with me? Can't even live up to your own promises
P.S. Please all Macrumors members, read all recent post by Taft, Spg, and myself ....and feel free to draw your own conclusions as to which of us are the @$$holes.
I rest my case
I invite you to expound on why I am a hypocrite. I'd really like to hear why you think I am one. Sure, I bash you, but I always, I mean ALWAYS, back it up.
And its hard to be done with a person so inflammatory. If I were a stronger person I would've been done when I said so. Unfortunately, like so many others, when the flaming gums start a flappin', I can't resist their call.
Speaking of which, I noticed you didn't reply to any of my arguments in your post. Rather, you just bashed me. I'm the hypocrite, eh?
Wha-wha-what!!! What does that even mean? I'd like to be mad, but you have to explain why I should.
I really don't get it.
Well...you've made quite a strong case for yourself...
*checks box next to 3777*
I am sure that there are probably a lot of self-centered jerks that drive SUVs. But there are probably also a lot of self-centered jerks that drive all different types of cars too. Not just SUVs.
These vehicles are quite unstable, they have a habit of rolling over WAY too easily.
I've seen so many SUV turtles stranded on the side of the road with their feet in the air. And one roll down a straight road (damn curb ).
The rollover risk wouldn't be too big a problem if more of the drivers would wear their seatbelts while driving them, but week after week stories here in the valley of SUV drivers being ejected continue to pile up.
But even if you're belted in and "safe" in a SUV rollover -- the govt. standard for a 1000 lb roof crush strength will walk over and bite you. Which means the SUVs roof most likely will cave in and crush your face, head, or spine.
In simple terms SUVs are a mix of Murphy's Law and Darwin's Practical Joke for Safety Freaks. (ie, Coffin starter kits designed for people who drive big trucks like a they're little sports cars.)
[edit - NO, I looked at them and the Crown Vic was a better deal, though I would have rather picked up the LTD Wagon or Roadmaster if they were still made.)
Personally I only have 2 real problems with SUVs and one minor one.
1) The main reason people die in collisions facing SUVs is that there is no standard bumper height. Even Semi-Trucks often have a low bumper so the other car will not go under them. There needs to be a standardized bumper height. I know this causes a problem for off roading but you could make the bumper so the lower half could be flipped up and pinned in place while you are off the main roads.
2) They don't fit anywhere and often the people who drive them are very much like many people who drive motor-homes, they don't know how to drive them. There needs to be some sort of special drivers training for people so they know how to drive large vehicles. Also they don't fit in parking spots so they take two. Well they should have to park in the back 40 as punishment.
3) A minor thing for me is the gas mileage they get. Granted with the latest diesels they are getting much much better but they are still gas hogs. As I said before this is a minor issue for me and there are lots of cures for this coming down the road in the next few years.