AOC:$2.13 tipped minimum wage is 'indentured servitude'

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  1. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    My state does not allow tip credit wages but requires servers to be paid full minimum wage. It is not the only state like that (and they are all “Blue”).
     
  2. raqball macrumors 68000

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    No she is a blithering idiot if she used the term you put in the title. I have zero interest in reading the link so I will assume she did....

    servitude:

    the state of being a slave or completely subject to someone more powerful.

    synonyms: slavery, enslavement, bondage, subjugation, subjection, domination; literary thraldom; historical serfdom, vassalage

    "Indian slaves were bought and sold and kept in servitude"
     
  3. dogslobber thread starter macrumors 68040

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    I recommend you watch the 47 sec video. Your life will forever be changed.
     
  4. samcraig macrumors P6

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    If you bothered to read the article, you would have context on why she said what she did and the intent.
     
  5. JayMysterio macrumors 6502a

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    I imagine that's an understandable response if someone doesn't want to read something for the context of a thread, for fear it might hurt their sensibilities, yet still want to make an uninformed comment.

    The context of her comment refers to the dignity of being paid so low & poorly, it can come across like indentured servitude.

    But hey, it's AOC, I know the triggering was inevitable...
     
  6. raqball macrumors 68000

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    What 47 second video would that be? Her dancing video? I've seen it and no my life was not transformed nor changed.
     
  7. dogslobber thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Click the link to educate yourself then. I’m not sure what dancing video you’re referring to.
     
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    Pass... I already said I am not interested in reading the article....

    My comment was on the headline use of a specific word. There is NOTHING she can say that would justify its use in regards to a waiter or waitress who took the job willingly and was well aware of the pay scale....

    Other than that, I am out as I only wished to comment on the headline, which I did, so now its time to skee-daddle-doo
     
  9. dogslobber thread starter macrumors 68040

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    You genuinely are missing the context. Click and watch or forever be an introvert.
     
  10. JayMysterio macrumors 6502a

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    Well then, we all thank you for your time & effort to sincerely participate in the thread.

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    https://www.vox.com/2019/6/1/18648422/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-aoc-bartending-15-minimum-wage

    One of the reasons for AOC's popularity & her election, is the fact that she isn't considered another wealthy individual in office, who pretends to know what it's like for those working.
     
  11. raqball macrumors 68000

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    I'm sure I'll survive but thanks for the concern...
     
  12. JayMysterio macrumors 6502a

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    Something else to consider about those trying to survive on a tipped worker's pay.

    Disclaimer: I've had a few friends in NY try to survive on such jobs, it was one of the few jobs they maintained.

    https://www.epi.org/blog/seven-facts-about-tipped-workers-and-the-tipped-minimum-wage/

    According to the Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages, full-service restaurants in equal treatment states saw stronger growth both in terms of number of establishments and number of jobs compared to states with a separate, lower minimum wage for tipped workers (Figure B). Between 2011 and 2014, equal treatment states saw 6.0 percent growth in the number of establishments compared to 4.1 percent growth in states with separate, lower tipped minimum wages. Likewise, employment grew 13.2 percent in equal treatment states compared to 9.1 percent in other states.

    Furthermore, higher minimum wages mean better working and living conditions for numerous workers in the region, and it will put more money in the hands of consumers likely to spend in area businesses.
     
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    Wages that low for tipped employees are basically a subsidy for a business, made up for by voluntary donations by customers (tips). In my state, tipped workers make the general minimum wage (which is $12.50), yet we still have a functioning and vibrant service industry.
     
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    When wages go up so does everything else. Far above what the wage went up.
    That said I agree that 2.12 is ridiculous
     
  15. JayMysterio macrumors 6502a

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    As I posted earlier though, there are some studies show that despite the wages going up, things seem to offset when it comes to the food industry.
     
  16. NT1440 macrumors G5

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    The irony of the choice of words in regards to AOC while blindly ignoring she said “indentured servitude” (which is a term with an actual definition)....which is part of American history...
     
  17. JayMysterio macrumors 6502a

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    Shhh.... It was a big 'gotcha' moment. You got to let people have some of these from time to time.
     
  18. raqball macrumors 68000

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    I know right....... I've been patiently waiting for someone to take the bait... :p

    An indentured servant or indentured laborer is an employee (indenturee) within a system of unfree labor who is bound by a signed or forced contract (indenture) to work for a particular employer for a fixed time. ... On completion of the contract, indentured servants were given their freedom, and occasionally plots of land.

    So yeah... She is still a complete idiot...

    Time to skee-daddle-doo again..... But thanks! :D
     
  19. iTurbo macrumors 6502

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    As if tips never existed.


    It's that whole 'choice' thing again.
     
  20. JayMysterio macrumors 6502a

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    Once again, the key phrase with her comment, had to do with the dignity or lack of, of poor pay. The kind of poor pay those who were indentured working to fill their contract in a fashion were paid.

    So no, if you try to actually pay attention to her words and context, the idiot label still doesn't apply except in one's imagination.

    Thanks for stopping by again though.

    Tips are optional.

    Yes, it's a choice thing. Some workers are choosing to ask to be paid the new minimum wage that many are asking for, the one adjusted for inflation. Something that hasn't properly been accounted for, for a decade. Will that wage increase, including removing tipping? Perhaps. Would solve a few other issues in the restaurant industry.
     
  21. iTurbo macrumors 6502

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    JayMysterio, have you ever worked a job where you made tips? It is lucrative. It is probably an American thing to be totally honest.
     
  22. JayMysterio macrumors 6502a

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    First job was in a restaurant. There are days when one makes great tips, there are other days where the butt end of humanity is seated in your section, and you aren't making squat.

    It can be lucrative, my bartended for quite awhile in a strip club. She made crazy money, and perfected fending off unwanted advances. Strippers on the other hand in the same club may make less than her, and have to deal with worse. It's situational.

    One of my favorite memories was another job I had in college, dishwashing. A very flamboyant guy who always had me rolling in laughter got a tip so bad, he returned it to the person so they can save up for a real tip at another establishment. Seems the person had an issue with his 'flamboyance', not so much the service. Point being, there are factors in how much you may make, as opposed to making a minimum wage that would guarantee a set amount. There are also establishments as in NY that have come up with schemes where the tips are part of the bill, go to the establishment first, then they are supposed to give it to the workers, to insure tips are made. Only the establishment kept the money.

    Tipping believe it or not is a very American thing, that isn't done in several places elsewhere. Meaning it isn't truly mandatory for the food service industry to survive. Perhaps a minimum wage, and no tips is a way to go in the future.
     
  23. iTurbo, Jun 2, 2019
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    Having worked in the food industry, making minimum wage and/or not. I gotta say Jay, that was a great post. I was a dishwasher too.

    Pizza delivery drivers around here have it made. They make great tips and at least minumum wage, and mileage or a per delivery allowance. I should know; I was one of them. I gotta admit, waitresses and waiters always did seem screwed to me. The whole system could be a lot lot better.

    For example, during a banquet tips/gratuity would be shared among them. There were good ones and bad ones, but they all made the same. That's not right. It created a lot of problems within the wait staff. Being socialist is not fair in the real world.
     
  24. A.Goldberg macrumors 68020

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    Well, I agree with the sentiment despite the literal definition inaccuracy... Being paid $2 and hour is nuts. I have to ask though the obvious question how many people taking a deal like that are actually averaging an hour. It seems to me if you’re not breaking above minimum wage you’d probably move on to a new job.

    I think it’s also important to note the $2.13 is the federal minimum wage, most states have a much higher wage.

    I wonder how she feels about about commission-only sales jobs?
     

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