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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by MacNut, May 13, 2013.
J. Edgar Hoover is smiling...as is Dick Nixon.
This is abhorrible. Completely wrong. The sad part is nothing will come of it.
Before this devolves into a Dems vs. GOP bitchfest, lets take this for what it is:
THE EXACT TYPE OF BEHAVIOR THAT HAS BEEN GROWING IN THE WHITE HOUSE SINCE THE 40's.
It doesn't matter what party is in power, the ratcheting of the security state always moves on with time. Thing is, because all we do is bitch about left vs right the population is too busy yelling at each other instead of throwing the corrupt in jail.
There could be a legit reason as to why they listened to their calls that saved thousands of lives... we will never know.
Could you expand on that, please?
How might (Illegally??) surveilling something like 100 AP reporters save thousands of lives?
Illegally? They obtained subpoenas. And who knows what sources the AP reporters talk to. Maybe one of them was talking to a wanted felon or terrorist. I wouldn't be surprised if AP uses wanted criminals to get a story and doesn't turn them in.
I apologize for my error on the issue of legality.
Your "maybe" suggests that you have no solid information of any kind to support the assertion. Consequently, is is nothing more than than supposition.
I'm not a lawyer, but I think it is legal for the press to speak with sources and keep them anonymous even if the source is wanted? Can someone shed some light on this?
Aren't you the guys that always post the Franklin quote about giving up liberty for security?
It used to be, this and the last administrations successfully killed that norm.
Guys its like we're sprinting back to the old "He's a commie!" days where we let government justify things by saying "but we were protecting you from boogieman X!"
I feel like we are back peddling through history.
This whole thread is nothing more than hearsay and guesswork. No one really knows what the government does or why they do it.
And you think that will stop them? People do illegal crap all the time. The press makes money exploiting bad situations, I don't think they find it morally wrong to talk to criminals for info and therefore won't necessarily turn them in.
All assumptions of course.
I'm one person, and I don't recall that quote but maybe I posted it.
Is there some rule that people working for the press are never terrorists? Maybe these people were interviewing terror suspects and our government wanted to know..
Not surprised considering the extent of the police state we live in. What happened to the "freedom" we're supposed to have in this country?
Meanwhile, TMZ is untouchable.
Between this and the IRS scandal, a banner day for the U.S.
Oh, you can be more specific than that. It's a banner day for the Democrat party.
I don't get your sarcasm?!?! It appears the Government followed legal procedures. If doing this saved just one life I would have thought you would be for this...
Fox News wonders if it has happened to them..
I'm gonna guess they have nothing newsworthy or reliable for the DOJ to confiscate.
The argument of 'the lesser evil' doesn't wash when you look at Gitmo.
Agreed. WTF is going on in Washington these days? Let us suppose that the taps were legal and on the basis of a legit subpoena. Surely much of the information collected was incidental to the investigation and there fore irrelevant. One wonders what happens with this information....
What an absurd comparison...but much anticipated...
How is that? You have over 130 innocents on hunger strike, most of which cleared for release, now find themselves in a situation where they could be seriously ill or even die.
Take a good look at yourself.
I reread the story, and I only see that the DOJ obtained phone records detailing who was called and who called in. I didn't see anything about wiretaps of ongoing calls, merely phone records.
Has anyone seen anything to indicate that there were wiretaps?
What was taken were phone numbers and 2 months worth of records of phone calls from more than 100 employees.
The exact definition of "phone calls" is up for interpretation.
The creepy part is the DOJ did this without AP knowing. The AP only found out after receiving a letter from the DOJ.
who is in charge of the justice department? Eric Holder...who is that persons boss and bears the ultimate responsibility? Obama...
Hows all that hope, change and transparency working out for you guys?